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Post by marchesarosa on May 31, 2015 10:32:39 GMT
There you have it! Dinorwig is not used for balancing out the gross fluctuations in the SUPPLY of wind power but for responding to a brief sudden surge in DEMAND!
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Post by aubrey on May 31, 2015 10:55:24 GMT
Does putting racist in those cute quote marks mean that you don't accept the concept of racism? That's what quote marks usually mean, viz:  |
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Post by loop on May 31, 2015 11:49:35 GMT
There you have it! Dinorwig is not used for balancing out the gross fluctuations in the SUPPLY of wind power but for responding to a brief sudden surge in DEMAND! So build some more, perhaps in Scotland? What a stupid person you are. |
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Post by jean on May 31, 2015 14:41:22 GMT
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Post by aqua on May 31, 2015 23:14:37 GMT
Too much.
For my PC.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 1, 2015 8:20:05 GMT
The authentic voice of the out of touch, know-all ex-pat. Tee hee.
The Scots are not push-overs like your Maories, you know, loop.
Should they gain independence they certainly will be unable to raise the capital needed for such massive projects with such limited usefulness? Why do you think Dinorwig is a one-off in Europe? Because it was an expensive mistake - NOT the sign of things to come.
wiki tells us there "are a number of proposed hydroelectric power projects in New Zealand and, despite the demand for more renewable energy, there is opposition to some new hydroelectric projects."
Yet YOU think you can foist multiple Dinorwig-type developments on the SCOTS?? Think again, pal.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 1, 2015 8:28:48 GMT
If you fancy turning Scotland into hydro-electric heaven, loop, why not just build hydro DAMS which would be REALLY useful 24-7 except for the fact they would be remote from Scotland's (let alone the UK's) centres of population.
The proliferation of Dinorwig-type hydro would be just another extremely expensive but limited add-on to an already grossly expensive, unreliable system of wind farms. It's just piling inefficiency on inefficiency.
Dinorwigconsumes electricity. You do realise that it involves billions of gallons of water being pumped uphill with electric pumps so that it can produce a little electricity for a few hours as it cascades down? This is neither rational nor efficient. Ergo it should be very popular with Greens! QED!
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Post by aubrey on Jun 1, 2015 8:47:31 GMT
How does £30 billion get to be seen as inexpensive, Marchesa? Hardly a sum that's not worth metering.
Maoris have land by treaty. No one else is allowed to use it. Racists in NZ talk of The Treaty Industry in the same way that the same sort here talk of The Race Relations Industry. It works (which is why the racists are so pissed off). The Maoris certainly wouldn't allow a nuclear fleet to be parked there.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 1, 2015 8:54:39 GMT
uh???
You'll have to express your intended meaning more lucidly, aubrey, if you want a reply.
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Post by loop on Jun 1, 2015 9:15:16 GMT
The authentic voice of the out of touch, know-all ex-pat. Tee hee. The Scots are not push-overs like your Maories, you know, loop. Should they gain independence they certainly will be unable to raise the capital needed for such massive projects with such limited usefulness? Why do you think Dinorwig is a one-off in Europe? Because it was an expensive mistake - NOT the sign of things to come. wiki tells us there "are a number of proposed hydroelectric power projects in New Zealand and, despite the demand for more renewable energy, there is opposition to some new hydroelectric projects." Yet YOU think you can foist multiple Dinorwig-type developments on the SCOTS?? Think again, pal. Dear March I agree with you - I heard they want to build a power station at the bottom of my garden. They gave us a choice between coal fired and wind powered. Well I said Mt T has enough wind we don't want any more and it is so nice on a cold winter evening, now they have cancelled global warming, to sit down in front of a nice warm coal fire and look at the faces in the flames. I saw my old mother the other day in the flames, she looked nice and cosy. Mrs Trellis of North Wales Basically March, you are such a complete idiot, only an ISIHAC response is called for. |
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Post by aubrey on Jun 1, 2015 9:32:17 GMT
uh??? You'll have to express your intended meaning more lucidly, aubrey, if you want a reply. Nuclear power station being built here by a French company, I can't remember where: but I have put it on here several times in the past, with full documentation and I'm not about to do it again (I am cataloguing my films and I don't have time). The point is, nuclear is very expensive as well. It works, but it is very expensive: and there are many opportunities for mistakes as well - safety considerations are always skimped, in any industry - that one in Japan had had many violations in the past. If a wind turbine blows up and there's no one there... |
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 1, 2015 9:51:18 GMT
Nuclear power stations deliver vast quantities of CO2-free electricity 24/7 and 365 days per year, aubrey. It is worth it for advanced industrial societies to pay for reliability like this. After all, we are not Africans who the Greens expect to get by on a solar powered light bulb and a water pump, are we?
The "strike price" agreed for Hinckley Point's nuclear electricity (if it ever gets built) is less than that offered for on shore wind and MUCH less than the price offered for off-shore wind generated electricity and inordinately less than the price offered for the Swansea Bay scheme.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 1, 2015 10:21:54 GMT
Do you reckon? Really?
The thing is, I don't mind nuclear: but why if it's so good and so cheap, don't we go and build power stations for all those poor Africans
(if you will keep on trying to build up an opposition between what you see as rich greens who want to prevent Africans from developing and those Africans: forgetting that Africans themselves campaign against oil companies' profiteering in their countries)?
But what on earth is wrong with having a mixture?
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 1, 2015 11:14:50 GMT
Nothing wrong with having a mixture, aubrey, providing one source does not enjoy privileged access to the grid and privileged payment rates thereby beggaring other kinds of generation.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 1, 2015 11:24:44 GMT
That has always happened - there has never been an open market. And you're still ignoring post-usage costs.
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