Greens trashing the environment part 527

[excoriator]

Windmills make no noise whatsoever compared to even a small ship.

Whales have been getting themselves grounded forever, well before offshore windmills were invented.

What a truly crap newspaper the Times has become these days. It's no better than the torygraph.

[aubrey]

Yes, Marchesa: boats are what make the real noise for underwater creatures - oil tankers and the like.




It's amazing how fossil supporters become all cuddly when they think can blame a few deaths of wild creatures on renewable energy: not a peep about all the millions killed by cars, buildings, boats, etc etc.

[aubrey]

Sez you!

No, sez scientists (apart from the few who are paid by fossil companies).

[marchesarosa]

Tell it to the "marine experts", aubrey! I'm merely reporting their opinion.

Funny you are so soppy about cats but don't give a toss for bats and birds minced by windmills. Some consistency in your animal partisanship required.

[aubrey]

May 25, 2017 8:41:49 GMT marchesarosa said:

Tell it to the "marine experts", aubrey! I'm merely reporting their opinion.

Funny you are so soppy about cats but don't give a toss for bats and birds minced by windmills. Some consistency in your animal partisanship required.

When have you ever posted about birds killed by cars, buildings, habitat loss, oil spills, etc? It's only windmills that you care about, isn't it? Anything else is just Virtue Signalling.

[excoriator]

The other day in the car waiting at the lights I saw a blackbird flutter from the sky. I suspect it had flown into a phone cable - I saw the cable swaying as if from such an impact. The bird made a crash langing in a privet hedge and ended on the pavement. Its wing was trailing. There was nothing I could do for it as the lights changed and I had to move on. I parked about 50 yard away and went back, but it had gone by then. It had either been recovered, gone into hiding, or been taken by a cat.

Do you know, I looked and looked and not a windmill was to be seen for miles and miles and miles!

I used to work in a building with floor to ceiling glass and bird strikes were common there.

It is worth a look at the end of the platforms where trains terminate in Liverpool Lime St station. Birds, often pheasants, get struck by these trains and presumably remain plastered on the front until someone scrapes them off in Liverpool. I recall seeing four of five pheasants, rotting below the buffers some years back.

The point is that we kill thousands of birds in various unintended ways every day. The alleged carnage from windmills is trivial in comparison.

[marchesarosa]

The alleged carnage from windmills is trivial in comparison

Undeniable. But I am talking about windmill And their impact on wildlife is undeniable.

[aubrey]

But much smaller than other, fossil, sources. And much much smaller than the affects of AGW (even though that's a Chinese hoax, or something).

I remember you slagging me off over the birds and other wildlife that were killed (and are still being killed) by that BP oil spill. If the term Virtue Signalling had been around then you'd have used that. As it was, it was Sanctimonious Bullshit - the animals were in the way of progress, so sod them.

[aubrey]

BP apologise for oil spill (and for waking Cthulhu):

[excoriator]

And their impact on wildlife is undeniable.

Perhaps. But it is undeniably negligible.

[marchesarosa]

So how Green is Trudueau when push comes to shove?


CANADA SHOWS COMMITMENT TO FIGHTING GLOBAL WARMING BY ASKING CHINA TO INVEST IN ITS OIL INDUSTRY

Date: 09/06/17 Michael Bastasch, Daily Caller

Just eight days after Canada criticized U.S. withdrawal from the Paris climate accord, the Trudeau government invited China to invest billions to revive massive oil fields in the northwestern part of the country.

Canada’s Natural Resources Minister Jim Carr hopes that Chinese investment into oil sands development will reboot the struggling sector after losing $22.5 billion in foreign capital in the last six months, Reuters reported.

“We think there are opportunities and we laid out, along with experts from industry, what we believe to be opportunities for them,” Carr told reporters on a Thursday conference call.

“We would welcome investment from any nation that’s interested in the oil sands,” Carr said. “The trend of capital flows over the last little while has been international investors have been looking at their opportunities and decided to spread their resources, whereas Canadian investors have stepped up.”

Alberta’s oil sands reserves are the third largest in the world, but aren’t economical to produce at $50 a barrel. Oil sands have also been targeted by environmental activists bent on keeping fossil fuels in the ground.

In fact, the Obama administration denied the building of the Keystone XL pipeline on the grounds it would tarnish America’s image as a leader in the fight against global warming. Keystone XL would have shipped Albertan oil sands to Gulf Coast refineries. dailycaller.com/2017/06/09/canada-shows-commitment-to-fighting-global-warming-by-asking-china-to-invest-in-its-oil-industry/

Funny how this sort of news NEVER gets reported on the BBC, innit?

[aubrey]

It's foreign, it's specific, it's not a big story: and you wouldn't expect the BBC to go to a right wing source for its stories, would you?


But then, the right does exist in a perpetual state of victim-hood - ooh the BBC isn't reporting a small story in a foreign country that no one else but a small right wing paper has mentioned, everyone's against me.

[aubrey]

In fact, the Obama administration denied the building of the Keystone XL pipeline on the grounds it would tarnish America’s image as a leader in the fight against global warming.

In fact, there were protests about Keystone pretty much all last year, based as much on the breaking of a treaty with the Native Americans as anything. That wasn't really reported by the BBC either: maybe that's why you missed it.

[marchesarosa]

The Dakota pipeline/native American angle was reported by the BBC, aubrey. The "native Americans" angle is just an example of how Greens and media outlets like the BBC will latch on to any pretext to pursue their misguided obsession with BIG OIL.

Re. China and Canada's tar sands, we are not talking about the output of a "right-wing" blog here but a news story from Reuters (heard of them?) covering the POLICY of the Canadian government whose handsome young Prime Minister was hailed as some sort of Green saviour by the Greens when he came on the scene.

But how strange that Canada should be turning to the nation exco portrays as the great green saviour of the world, China, to exploit their tar sands. What do you have to say about that? Has exco somehow managed to misunderstand China's (and canada's) attitude to renewables, fossil fuels and anthropogenic global warming?

I'll give you a clue. China is a nation of businessmen, capitalists and money-makers par excellence. Whilst they will happily flood the market with cheap solar panels to make money from the West's CO2-phobia and obsession with global warming they will simultaneously import more than half the world's coal, open scores of coal-fired power stations per year in their own country as well as building coal fired power stations round the developing world, as well as paying lip service to the developing world's demand for Green guilt money from the west so long as the west is stupid enough provide it! China has signed up to the Paris Accord because it costs them nothing to do so, earns them undeserved kudos from the West's Greens, imposes no binding CO2 emissions reduction targets on them whatsoever and they will continue to plough their own energy furrow regardless, thank you very much!

Take off your green blinkers, aubrey.

[excoriator]

Get up to date March. The Chinese are cancelling coal power stations and mothballing others. They are also investing in upgrading their transmission system to better address the many wind and solar projects they are extending. I don't know where you get your stuff from, but it is certainly well past its sell-by date. Even two years back the claim made by you and your kind that "The Chinese are building a coal power station every week!" was shown to be false. It is a lot more false now. Two years is a long time for wind and solar; both being so quick and easy to install

The reason they have signed up to the Paris accord is that they have seen what coal and oil can do to their cities and want no more of it.