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Post by aubrey on Jun 3, 2015 9:54:56 GMT
the right price and of the right quality - ... what the market will stand these two statements mean the same, aubrey In an advert, maybe. Not anywhere else. The first statement seems reasonable, the "Right" price being taken to mean the right price for everyone. But where there is a monopoly, or a Cartel, the right price is decided by the seller and the buyer has to pay that or do without. This is how the Pharma market works, for eg. |
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Post by excoriator on Jun 3, 2015 9:59:21 GMT
What a pity the 'plant food' argument has been forgotten.
The carbon dioxide leaving the smokestack will be recycled in the form of new replanted trees. This is already clearly taking place in the photograph.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 3, 2015 9:59:27 GMT
Pharmaceuticals are able to protect their brands with patents for a certain length of time so this impacts on the supply and demand which in OTHER cases interact to create the market price. Do you wish to abolish patents along with price competition, aubrey?
Cartel pricing does not govern the fossil fuel market as is born out by the impact of US fracked oil and gas in lowering the world oil price. This is what competition is SUPPOSED to do and this is what it has done. OPEC is beggaring itself trying to drive its US competitor out of business. Its not working - except for the consumer! This is competition at its best. You won't see renewables engaging in this sort of price competition - oh, no, they prefer to drive their competitors out of business courtesy of selective state imposed carbon and environmental taxes and by gross subsidy for themselves - aka crony capitalism.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 3, 2015 10:02:51 GMT
Why does that matter? C02 is odourless, tasteless, beneficial, etc. Another piece by the same writer (as the piece on the bottom of the previous page): The methane that leaks from 40,000 gas wells near the desert trading post of Cuba, New Mexico, may be colourless and odourless, but it’s not invisible. It can be seen from space. Satellites that sweep over the north of the energy-rich state can spot the gas as it escapes from drilling rigs, compressors and a pipeline snaking across the badlands. In the air it forms a giant plume: a permanent methane cloud, so vast that scientists questioned their own data when they first studied it three years ago. “We couldn’t be sure that the signal was real,” said Nasa researcher Christian Frankenberg.Here's the kicker: As early as this month, the Obama administration will announce new measures to shrink New Mexico’s methane cloud while cracking down nationally on a phenomenon that officials say wastes taxpayer revenue and contributes to climate change. The details are not publicly known, but already a fight is shaping up between the White House and industry supporters in Congress over how intrusive the restrictions will be.
Republican leaders who take control of the Senate this month have vowed to block measures that they say could throttle domestic energy production at a time when plummeting oil prices are cutting deeply into company profits. Industry officials say they have a strong financial incentive to curb leaks, and companies are moving rapidly to upgrade their equipment. |
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 3, 2015 10:06:30 GMT
From The Guardian
So the threat of legislation is promoting technological fixes to tackle the methane leakage problem. Is there something wrong with this aubrey? This is how the law should be and is used to keep capitalists in order! Sure they have a right to be consulted. They are interested parties, after all.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 3, 2015 10:09:05 GMT
Pharmaceuticals are able to protect their brands with patents for a certain length of time so this impacts on the supply and demand which in OTHER cases interact to create the market price. Do you wish to abolish patents along with price competition, aubrey? With Pharma, certainly. You have lots of different companies reproducing the same experiments, or looking to produce the same drug as someone else that is just different enough that it can gat its own patent, hiding bad results of trials, inventing conditions for treatments they have devised, looking for cures for baldness, etc etc. It's bloody corrupt. Oh, stop it with that, will you? |
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 3, 2015 10:13:01 GMT
I will keep on repeating the facts of consumer and state subsidy to the renewables industry so long as they exist and are preventing the beneficial working of competition in the energy market, aubrey. Live with it. We are not all ostriches.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 3, 2015 10:16:53 GMT
While ignoring subsidy to oil. I'm not going round that again. I have to go to Kennington in a bit.  |
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Post by excoriator on Jun 3, 2015 10:51:05 GMT
So the threat of legislation is promoting technological fixes to tackle the methane leakage problem. Is there something wrong with this aubrey? This is how the law should be and is used to keep capitalists in order! Sure they have a right to be consulted. They are interested parties, after all. Hahahahahaha! March is so pathetically eager to believe any piece of PR puffery from these clowns. I doubt whether anything will be done if the cost of doing it exceeds the cost of the lost gas! |
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Post by excoriator on Jun 3, 2015 10:52:46 GMT
So the threat of legislation is promoting technological fixes to tackle the methane leakage problem. Is there something wrong with this aubrey? This is how the law should be and is used to keep capitalists in order! Sure they have a right to be consulted. They are interested parties, after all. Hahahahahaha! March is so pathetically eager to believe any piece of PR puffery from these clowns. I doubt whether anything will be done if the cost of doing it exceeds the cost of the lost gas! |
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Post by aubrey on Jun 3, 2015 11:04:17 GMT
So the threat of legislation is promoting technological fixes to tackle the methane leakage problem. Is there something wrong with this aubrey? This is how the law should be and is used to keep capitalists in order! Sure they have a right to be consulted. They are interested parties, after all. Yes, it should be: but why on earth are the republicans against it? And when does consultation become paid lobbying having undue influence? |
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 3, 2015 11:07:41 GMT
"a puff piece ", exco? It was from your own fav organ of Green propaganda, The Guardian.
How do you think clean air and other environmental legislation has been achieved, exco, if not with the consent and co-operation of industry? You seem to believe they have no right to be consulted and included in the debate. They have as much, if not much more, information and experience of the workings of their industry than any government bureaucrats proposing new standards.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 3, 2015 11:14:26 GMT
They also try to get around regulations, lobby against them, and sometimes just ignore them.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 3, 2015 11:20:28 GMT
The Guardian tells you in the article you quoted. Because at the moment "plummeting oil prices are cutting deeply into company profits". You have HEARD of the crash in the oil price in the least year, I suppose, aubrey? The legislators recognise the oil industry as golden goose, aubrey. BIG OIL are the biggest corporate tax payer in the USA.
The Republicans are an elected political party, are they not, aubrey? Just because they have a philosophy that is different from yours does not make their concerns illegitimate. They take control of the US Senate this month. This may not suit you, but, tough!
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 3, 2015 11:26:58 GMT
Again, is there something wrong with an industry lobbying legislators concerning its interests? There is more to politics than merely casting a vote. This huge global oil industry is an important contributor to the wealth and well-being we enjoy in the West and that the rest of the developing world is also entitled to enjoy. Get used to it. They contribute to your medical care and benefits with their taxes. You will find the renewables industries contribute virtually zilch to the Treasury's coffers. They are state pensioners, just like you!
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