Daz muses...

[gustavski]

madrigalman said:

Oh and about these posters...well sorry but for a lot of them its purely a Talking shop and thats the way they like it because the reality is that they haven't got an original thought in their heads so of course if you give them the chance they'll ramble on forever.

Its always been like that..some posters were so bloody boring in the end we had to collar them drag them on here and tell them quite clearly to shut the feck up. And slowly but surely they got the message.

If you've got nothing to say then follow the Al Johnson route and say nothing. That way we can all imagine you've got something very important to say.

I call them mad mullahs mods ;D

gus

[sandywinder]

piccione said:

Would you rather live in one /now/ Sands?

Gated communities are not only for ‘old people‘, it was an example. They are becoming increasingly popular in the US (and in other parts of the world), and amongst all classes - ‘segregation’ as an ‘answer’ to all our problems...

Yes I would if it would keep the bloody neighbour's kids, dogs and cats out.

But I don't suppose that would be possible.

[sandywinder]

piccione said:

A prison is still a prison, no matter what the conditions are, but what’s a /really/ scary thought is if GCs became the norm and people didn't even realise they lived in one ('prison'), and accepted ‘prison mentality‘ as the norm (because that‘s the only thing they knew), ie become totally ‘institutionalised’.

Living in an ‘imperfect’ world means having aspirations and ambitions for changes, improvements, new ideas. It’s one of the driving forces of human life, individually and collectively. Without challenges we‘d become bored, stagnate and degenerate....

(Erm….have you by any chance ever lived in a gated community, Sands…? ;D)

Have you ever lived in a community where you are terrorised by locals or your neighbours, Piccy?

Especially one in which the police have no presence after 4 pm when the station shuts? And one in which yobs, druggies and drunks make a huge din in the middle of the night, or are routinely vandalising your car or possibly throwing a brick through your window?

If you had you would be clamouring for a 'gated' community.

[sandywinder]

gustavski said:

I think that care homes and sheltered housing are two different things. The SH has a warder who does something or other I think things like checking on the occupants, phoning for them if they can not use the phone, well that sort of thing.
A care home is for someone who needs taking care of. This is not quite the case in SH.
I have been in care homes provided by the state in Germany and although there is no doubt bad ones amongst them I have only good reports to say about them. Btw sandy do you think that private care homes give love and tender care to the inmates. I have read some pretty shocking reports here in Britain about private care homes.

gus

And I have read some shocking reports about nationalised NHS hospitals Gus.

Sure there are bad private ones as well. But let's be fair about it.

What matters is that BOTH should be regularly RANDOMLY inspected to maintain standards.

It is the same with prisons (private and public).

That is and should be the job of the state.

And it is failing badly to do it.

[mimi]

madrigalman said:

... If you've got nothing to say then follow the Al Johnson route and say nothing. That way we can all imagine you've got something very important to say.

Are you speaking as a mod, ex cathedra, or as a poor bloody poster?

[piccione]

sandywinder said:

piccione said:

A prison is still a prison, no matter what the conditions are, but what’s a /really/ scary thought is if GCs became the norm and people didn't even realise they lived in one ('prison'), and accepted ‘prison mentality‘ as the norm (because that‘s the only thing they knew), ie become totally ‘institutionalised’.

Living in an ‘imperfect’ world means having aspirations and ambitions for changes, improvements, new ideas. It’s one of the driving forces of human life, individually and collectively. Without challenges we‘d become bored, stagnate and degenerate....

(Erm….have you by any chance ever lived in a gated community, Sands…? ;D)

Have you ever lived in a community where you are terrorised by locals or your neighbours, Piccy?

Especially one in which the police have no presence after 4 pm when the station shuts? And one in which yobs, druggies and drunks make a huge din in the middle of the night, or are routinely vandalising your car or possibly throwing a brick through your window?

If you had you would be clamouring for a 'gated' community.

I have (to some extend still do), and no I wouldn’t prefer it. A life with highs and lows always seems preferable to me than a slow and painful death.

[piccione]

/////Yes I would if it would keep the bloody neighbour's kids, dogs and cats out./////

I see…no kids allaowed in your ’perfect’ gated community. That’s good news. It means it won’t last long.

And I agree - breeding in prison shouldn’t be allowed.

[piccione]

sandywinder said:

gustavski said:

I think that care homes and sheltered housing are two different things. The SH has a warder who does something or other I think things like checking on the occupants, phoning for them if they can not use the phone, well that sort of thing.
A care home is for someone who needs taking care of. This is not quite the case in SH.
I have been in care homes provided by the state in Germany and although there is no doubt bad ones amongst them I have only good reports to say about them. Btw sandy do you think that private care homes give love and tender care to the inmates. I have read some pretty shocking reports here in Britain about private care homes.

gus

And I have read some shocking reports about nationalised NHS hospitals Gus.

Sure there are bad private ones as well. But let's be fair about it.

What matters is that BOTH should be regularly RANDOMLY inspected to maintain standards.

It is the same with prisons (private and public).

That is and should be the job of the state.

And it is failing badly to do it.

Gus, I agree (!) with Sands. That should answer your question of what I think of the standards of care homes in Britain (and not just of those for 'old people').

[Daz Madrigal]

A gated community 'here' is for older people...and yes probably white. Presumably they're happy there so who am I to stop them?

For anyone under 60 or more probably 70 it would be a living hell. In the USA its more for 'rich' and 'older' people and its some form of sanctuary against crime and squalor I suppose.

If thats what people want then so be it..we're all different.

[sandywinder]

piccione said:

/////Yes I would if it would keep the bloody neighbour's kids, dogs and cats out./////

I see…no kids allaowed in your ’perfect’ gated community. That’s good news. It means it won’t last long.

And I agree - breeding in prison shouldn’t be allowed.

By that logic piccy, old folks homes should not last long either.

[piccione]

////By that logic piccy, old folks homes should not last long either.////

By your logic, Sands, you’ve lost the plot again.

It’s an entirely different thing to talk about a few enclaves of ‘specialised’ gated communities that are ‘supplied’ with ‘selected’, volunteering newcomers from an ‘open’ society, or of an entire ‘society’ made up of ’self-contained’ gated communities, where people are /born/ into 'captivity', and no choice.

The latter being hypothetical, of course. And hopefully always will be.

[Daz Madrigal]

I think I spread myself to thinly, Piccy.

It'd be better if I took time and wrote just one literate post instead of throwing confetti at any board. Thats my problem..I dont actually read forums...obviously. Why would one want to?

Sometimes I think..why bother if Sandy doesnt know the difference between a ciggie and a bottle of beer. Sooner or later the doctors at Broadmoor will open the doors and let him out. And then he'll find that there really isn't any need to set fire to a drink before throwing it down yer neck..or that a mer 3 cigs are you're a little tipsy.

......dreams on...what a pleasant thought. One cig = the same inebriation effect as one whisky.

HEAVEN!

[Daz Madrigal]

piccione said:

////By that logic piccy, old folks homes should not last long either.////

By your logic, Sands, you’ve lost the plot again.

It’s an entirely different thing to talk about a few enclaves of ‘specialised’ gated communities that are ‘supplied’ with ‘selected’, volunteering newcomers from an ‘open’ society, or of an entire ‘society’ made up of ’self-contained’ gated communities, where people are /born/ into 'captivity', and no choice.

The latter being hypothetical, of course. And hopefully always will be.

To be fair, Sandys lived in a gated community for most of his life now and he enjoys it at Broadmoor. The nurse are very kind there.

[sandywinder]

piccione said:

////By that logic piccy, old folks homes should not last long either.////

By your logic, Sands, you’ve lost the plot again.

It’s an entirely different thing to talk about a few enclaves of ‘specialised’ gated communities that are ‘supplied’ with ‘selected’, volunteering newcomers from an ‘open’ society, or of an entire ‘society’ made up of ’self-contained’ gated communities, where people are /born/ into 'captivity', and no choice.

The latter being hypothetical, of course. And hopefully always will be.

No YOU have lost the plot. I was comparing old folks homes with gated communities that don't allow kids in.

/// I see…no kids allaowed in your ’perfect’ gated community. That’s good news. It means it won’t last long. ///

Both of them are intended for older people.

Both of them are intended for the later part of a person's life - not their whole life.

So if a gated community to protect older more vulnerable citizens is going to die out then so too are old folks homes (which is pretty unlikely).

[sandywinder]

madrigalman said:

I think I spread myself to thinly, Piccy.

It'd be better if I took time and wrote just one literate post instead of throwing confetti at any board. Thats my problem..I dont actually read forums...obviously. Why would one want to?

Sometimes I think..why bother if Sandy doesnt know the difference between a ciggie and a bottle of beer. Sooner or later the doctors at Broadmoor will open the doors and let him out. And then he'll find that there really isn't any need to set fire to a drink before throwing it down yer neck..or that a mer 3 cigs are you're a little tipsy.

......dreams on...what a pleasant thought. One cig = the same inebriation effect as one whisky.

HEAVEN!

I think you have had more than one whisky to come to that silly conclusion.