fire

[kipper]

Dazz Hansard: "I think possibly thats why people aren't inspired by Cameron, Davis and Hague. They're very competent but they don't seem to really make an impact.

Hague certainly was - a real intellect

As PM's both Thatcher and Churchill totally split people into seperate camps but it didnt matter because the support was fairly solid and it could be argued that they were saved by going to War on both counts.

True - is camps what we need today ? Camps develop polarisation. Camps flap about like tents. Camps are only useful when you're on your way to something better

btw - old boys from thee working classes can cetainly have an opinion on Churchill ..."A right Blunt" is some of the nicer terms I've heard ..."necessary at the time, but a fu**er, for sure" is another.
Way back, I remember speaking to real old biys ...who told me about pre-War Churchill :
(abridged)
"..yeah, the fu**er was a raving anti-Communist - did his level best to quosh supposed Communist uprising after the USSR succeeded. He thought the dockers and miners would for some sort of revolution. Stupid c*** only succeeded in squashing fair conditions and pay for many, by scaremongering"

I mean if you just meditate for a few minutes then a few similar 'fiery' inspirational types readily spring to mind. I dont know but i'm guessing that even a tv personality like Kate Adie was of that type. If it comes across even of msg brds then it shouldnt be to difficult to provide the evidence needed.

What are we creating though? Simulcra of simulcra ?
Modern communications and better education has resulted in a fairly informed public. What do we want with cyphers in C21?

Certainly Jilona has a fiery temperament...others come across as calming..almost placid"



Jilona and any other "types" are not important in a really modern Democracy, imho. Herding for the same old types will get voting turnout to drop below 30% at sometime .... then where will we be ?

[Daz Madrigal]

Happy Birthday to One Hit Wonder, "Crazy" Arthur Brown who is erm 63 today..a man who has set on his head on fire so many times he is now completely BALD.

Nice to see the fiery element to the fore.

[Daz Madrigal]

Alfred Hitchcock

[sandywinder]

That's a shocker, Daz.

[Daz Madrigal]

Yeh..i'm looking at birthdays and stuff...I mean Liza Minnelli..would you say she was ruled by the head or the heart. Is she effusive and over emotional or is she self controlled and egotistical.

Does she need help?....from Husbands, Counsellors..'Does she emote on stage or does she shake her booty in Madonna style.

To me its easy to predict..even beforehand what elements are going to be at the fore.

Its not a good comparison because of age..but theres world of difference between people who...emote on stage and produce emotion in others..so is it really any surprise that Judy Garland, Edith Piaf, Liza Minella have charts full of feeling/emotion (water)..rather than some control freakers egotism and attention grabbing sexiness such as Madonna or even Sinatra.

To me its clear and seen with perfect clarity..yet no-one else gets it somehow.

Then again you could argue with some justification...does itreally matter, Daz.

Well no not really..but it does suggest..something more than mere DNA codes and Genes.

[gustavski]

Life is a cabaret old chum come to the cabaret ;D

aplogies to Lisa Minneli

gus

[sandywinder]

madrigalman said:

Yeh..i'm looking at birthdays and stuff...I mean Liza Minnelli..would you say she was ruled by the head or the heart. Is she effusive and over emotional or is she self controlled and egotistical.

Does she need help?....from Husbands, Counsellors..'Does she emote on stage or does she shake her booty in Madonna style.

To me its easy to predict..even beforehand what elements are going to be at the fore.

Its not a good comparison because of age..but theres world of difference between people who...emote on stage and produce emotion in others..so is it really any surprise that Judy Garland, Edith Piaf, Liza Minella have charts full of feeling/emotion (water)..rather than some control freakers egotism and attention grabbing sexiness such as Madonna or even Sinatra.

To me its clear and seen with perfect clarity..yet no-one else gets it somehow.

Then again you could argue with some justification...does itreally matter, Daz.

Well no not really..but it does suggest..something more than mere DNA codes and Genes.

Does it eckerslike, Daz. It just suggests you are eager to find patterns where none exist.

Yet when you DO witness a pattern (GW) you pretend it doesn't exist.

You're kinda mixed up, old pal.

[Daz Madrigal]

sandywinder said:

madrigalman said:

Yeh..i'm looking at birthdays and stuff...I mean Liza Minnelli..would you say she was ruled by the head or the heart. Is she effusive and over emotional or is she self controlled and egotistical.

Does she need help?....from Husbands, Counsellors..'Does she emote on stage or does she shake her booty in Madonna style.

To me its easy to predict..even beforehand what elements are going to be at the fore.

Its not a good comparison because of age..but theres world of difference between people who...emote on stage and produce emotion in others..so is it really any surprise that Judy Garland, Edith Piaf, Liza Minella have charts full of feeling/emotion (water)..rather than some control freakers egotism and attention grabbing sexiness such as Madonna or even Sinatra.

To me its clear and seen with perfect clarity..yet no-one else gets it somehow.

Then again you could argue with some justification...does itreally matter, Daz.

Well no not really..but it does suggest..something more than mere DNA codes and Genes.

Does it eckerslike, Daz. It just suggests you are eager to find patterns where none exist.

My stock answer to that woud be to disprove the patterns which should be remarkably easy..especially with your fondness for colourful graphs.

I've asked many times in the past and every feeble excuse you can imagine has been trotted out...I cant be bovvered.(.it takes 10 secs!)..I don't understand it (what is there to understand)....its trickery (how do you falsify a D.O.B)...

If you haven't a clue as to ewhat your looking at then its doesnt follow that it makes no sense...it simply means that you haven't taken the trouble ot know what it is you are looking at.

If smeone looks at a graph for the FTSE when they've been never seen one in their lives then it doesnt make sense does it?

[sandywinder]

Yes it does.

It shows you how it had been rising - before it fell off a cliff.

All your silly charts tell us is that someone has decided that a persons date of birth can be split up into fire, water,etc, which is itself totally illogical and unbelievable.

And not only that but from doing this splitting up, you can decide on the character of that person.

So you have two ridiculously illogical precepts that have no basis for anything other than a chance to dupe people into another groundless belief system.

There is nothing illogical about the FTSE.

[Daz Madrigal]

Lissen Swampy, if you don't think Ginger Baker has a fiery temper then argue the point with him and if you end up with your head stuck in one of his many bass drums then don't blame me.



err..and Happy Birthday, Ginge! from thee Ginger Baker Fanclub (founder Daz)..

68 eh?..almost ready for the Crumblies knackers yard!



They had such a tasteful fashion sense in those days.

[Daz Madrigal]

<< And not only that but from doing this splitting up, you can decide on the character of that person. >>

No the temperament, Swampy.

[Daz Madrigal]

Sloban Milosevic



No water = a deficiency in the Water element, with only % instead of 25%, the mean. The affective values, whether or not you are aware of it, certainly cause a problem for you or for your relatives and close friends. Generally speaking, a lack of Water suggest an inability to feel affection or sympathy for others.

[Skip Lunch]

Is that a bananna in Erics trousers or is he just happy about Ginger's Birthday??

rog

[sandywinder]

madrigalman said:

<< And not only that but from doing this splitting up, you can decide on the character of that person. >>

No the temperament, Swampy.

Yeah, whatever, Mystic Mug.

[Daz Madrigal]

whatever huh?

LOL you're pickin up on the lingo..it won't be long before you turn into a surly teenager.