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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 21, 2017 0:28:18 GMT
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 21, 2017 0:29:06 GMT
Study: Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of driving on petrolwww.nyteknik.se/fordon/stora-utslapp-fran-elbilarnas-batterier-6851761Huge hopes are tied to electric cars as the solution to the purported automotive climate problem. But the electric car batteries are eco-villains in the production. Several tons of carbon dioxide have been emitted, even before the batteries leave the factory. IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute was commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency investigated litiumjonbatteriers climate impact from a life cycle perspective. Tesla Model S – this is the only way you’ll keep warm in one during winter.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 21, 2017 7:41:21 GMT
By looking at the consequences of the policy, namely, does it create "perverse incentives" that actually damage the environment - like the two examples above and like the promotion of diesel engined vehicles. These purportedly reduce CO2 emissions (harmless) per mile, but actually spew out genuinely toxic products into the air of cities that harm health UNLIKE CO2 which is plant food that makes forest and plants grow faster and more densely and in turn increases the carbon sinks that absorb the purportedly dangerous CO2!Oh, you mean those that use science to come to their conclusions, rather than oil-funded propaganda. Thanks.
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Post by excoriator on Jun 21, 2017 7:42:43 GMT
Hydrogen cars are much better.
Eny fool kno that!
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Post by aubrey on Jun 21, 2017 7:55:42 GMT
Study: Tesla car battery production releases as much CO2 as 8 years of driving on petrolwww.nyteknik.se/fordon/stora-utslapp-fran-elbilarnas-batterier-6851761Huge hopes are tied to electric cars as the solution to the purported automotive climate problem. But the electric car batteries are eco-villains in the production. Several tons of carbon dioxide has been placed, even before the batteries leave the factory. IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute was commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency investigated litiumjonbatteriers climate impact from a life cycle perspective. Tesla Model S – this is the only way you’ll keep warm in one during winter. You've said that already, and had it answered. You imagine that cars fuelled by petrol don't ever catch fire? That Tallbloke is a dick though, isn't he? You can tell him that from me, as well.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 21, 2017 8:08:28 GMT
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Post by excoriator on Jun 21, 2017 8:20:39 GMT
Musk is certainly a prize pillock. But you can't criticise him in America. They think he is wonderful there and shower him with cash for any of his potty ventures. Setting up a colony on Mars is his latest wheeze. I wish him luck and hope he and his admirers depart soon.
As regards battery production, I suspect the CO2 emissions will fall as more and more power used in their production comes from renewables. It is likely, as battery cars fail and hydrogen takes over, that the batteries will increasingly be used for levelling the intermittency of wind and increasing the percentage of renewable power used in their production, so there a growing amount of positive feedback there.
I am not a believer in batteries as anything but a short-term solution. In my experience, they bring more problems than they solve. However, until better methods of storing energy are built I suppose they are an expedient solution.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 21, 2017 8:25:53 GMT
The most recent series of South Park was a piss-take of the Mars idea, and of Musk in general (as well as a lot of other things).
But you don't manage anything like that unless you think it might be possible to be gin with.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 21, 2017 15:42:51 GMT
Hydrogen cars are much better. Eny fool kno that! Any
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Post by aubrey on Jun 21, 2017 16:11:19 GMT
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 21, 2017 17:05:39 GMT
Actually its IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute, commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency that investigated lithium ion batteries climate impact from a life cycle perspective.
So I guess you should be venting your Green spleen on them, aubrey.
Well done. Yet more invective instead of dealing with the information presented because it undermines your faith.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 21, 2017 17:34:35 GMT
Actually its IVL Swedish Environmental Research Institute, commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency that investigated lithium ion batteries climate impact from a life cycle perspective. So I guess you should be venting your Green spleen on them, aubrey. Well done. Yet more invective instead of dealing with the information presented because it undermines your faith. I answered your post about that last week. It was all much more nuanced than either you or that knob Tattersall makes out. You will tell him he's a knob when you see him, won't you? Thanks.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 22, 2017 6:15:32 GMT
This was the article about car btteries from Ny Teknik that was reproduced in translation. www.nyteknik.se/fordon/stora-utslapp-fran-elbilarnas-batterier-6851761It reports the work conducted by the Swedish Environmental Research Institute commissioned by the Swedish Transport Administration and the Swedish Energy Agency but I guess you didn't get beyond the third sentence of the article IF you bothered reading at all. Perhaps you would like to send them a snide little email ?
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Post by aubrey on Jun 22, 2017 6:54:32 GMT
Yes, I saw it the first time, and the google translation.
What's the point of it? That AGW is a hoax? That#s the point of most of your posts - that AGW is a hoax, and there's no point in trying to do anything about it, isn't it?
But please, stop posting the same thing over and over again.
And tell Tallbloke he's a dick.
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