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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 22, 2017 8:09:28 GMT
Probably too nuanced for you, aubrey but the car fire in the photograph above references the fact that car batteries may run the automotive functions of the car but cannot simultaneously power a HEATER to combat Nordic winters. Bit of a design failure, then? "Tesla Model S – this is the only way you’ll keep warm in one during winter" Bad Joke, geddit? P.S. Thanks for bring to our attention the fact that lithium ion batteries that fuel electric cars are prone to catching fire. Bit of an "own goal" that! But take it up with wiki (and good luck with that!) if you don't like the bad publicity! Plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents
Several plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents have taken place since the introduction of mass-production plug-in electric vehicles in 2010. Most of them have been thermal runaway incidents related to the lithium-ion batteries and have involved the Zotye M300 EV, Chevrolet Volt, Fisker Karma, Dodge Ram 1500 Plug-in Hybrid, Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid, Mitsubishi i-MiEV and Outlander P-HEV. Most hybrid electric vehicles available in the market today use nickel-metal hydride batteries which do not pose the same risk of thermal runaway as lithium-ion batteries.[1]
As of February 2014, four fires after an impact have been reported associated with the batteries of plug-in electric cars. The first crash related fire was reported in China in May 2012, after a high-speed car crashed into a BYD e6 taxi in Shenzhen.[2] Two incidents occurred with the Tesla Model S in October 2013, one when a Model S caught fire after the electric car hit metal debris on a highway in Kent, Washington state,[3] and another involving a loss of control and collision with a tree in Merida, Mexico.[4] A Tesla Model S being driven on a highway near Murfreesboro, Tennessee caught fire in November 2013 after it struck a tow hitch on the roadway, causing damage beneath the vehicle.[5]
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is conducting a study due in 2014 to establish whether lithium-ion batteries in plug-electric vehicles pose a potential fire hazard. The research is looking at whether the high-voltage batteries can cause fires when they are being charged and when the vehicles are involved in an accident.[1] Both General Motors and Nissan have published a guide for firefighters and first responders to properly handle a crashed electric-drive vehicle and safely disable its battery and other high voltage systems.[6]
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Post by excoriator on Jun 22, 2017 8:30:11 GMT
Lithium batteries are certainly far from safe. I am extremely careful of the ones you find in power tools, phones, calculators etc. The rechargeable hand-drill/screwdriver I normally use by choice has been modified to use supercapacitors, the original lithium batteries went to the council battery recycling centre. I get more torque from it, I can recharge it fully in 30 seconds, and it is SAFE.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 22, 2017 9:21:58 GMT
Probably too nuanced for you, aubrey but the car fire in the photograph above references the fact that car batteries may run the automotive functions of the car but cannot simultaneously power a HEATER to combat Nordic winters. Bit of a design failure, then? "Tesla Model S – this is the only way you’ll keep warm in one during winter" Bad Joke, geddit? P.S. Thanks for bring to our attention the fact that lithium ion batteries that fuel electric cars are prone to catching fire. Bit of an "own goal" that! But take it up with wiki (and good luck with that!) if you don't like the bad publicity! Plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents
Several plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents have taken place since the introduction of mass-production plug-in electric vehicles in 2010. Most of them have been thermal runaway incidents related to the lithium-ion batteries and have involved the Zotye M300 EV, Chevrolet Volt, Fisker Karma, Dodge Ram 1500 Plug-in Hybrid, Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid, Mitsubishi i-MiEV and Outlander P-HEV. Most hybrid electric vehicles available in the market today use nickel-metal hydride batteries which do not pose the same risk of thermal runaway as lithium-ion batteries.[1]
As of February 2014, four fires after an impact have been reported associated with the batteries of plug-in electric cars. The first crash related fire was reported in China in May 2012, after a high-speed car crashed into a BYD e6 taxi in Shenzhen.[2] Two incidents occurred with the Tesla Model S in October 2013, one when a Model S caught fire after the electric car hit metal debris on a highway in Kent, Washington state,[3] and another involving a loss of control and collision with a tree in Merida, Mexico.[4] A Tesla Model S being driven on a highway near Murfreesboro, Tennessee caught fire in November 2013 after it struck a tow hitch on the roadway, causing damage beneath the vehicle.[5]
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is conducting a study due in 2014 to establish whether lithium-ion batteries in plug-electric vehicles pose a potential fire hazard. The research is looking at whether the high-voltage batteries can cause fires when they are being charged and when the vehicles are involved in an accident.[1] Both General Motors and Nissan have published a guide for firefighters and first responders to properly handle a crashed electric-drive vehicle and safely disable its battery and other high voltage systems.[6] How many more times do you want to post that?
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 22, 2017 12:48:24 GMT
As long as it takes, prat!
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Post by aubrey on Jun 22, 2017 13:10:49 GMT
I understood the first time.
Repeating doesn't make it any cleverer, or more funny.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 22, 2017 15:01:58 GMT
Try answering the issues posed for a change, aubrey, instead or your usual ad hominems.
Can electric battery cars run a winter heater or even a summer aircon system?
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Post by aubrey on Jun 22, 2017 15:26:28 GMT
Try answering the issues posed for a change, aubrey, instead or your usual ad hominems. Can electric battery cars run a winter heater or even a summer zircon system? Maybe not, not yet. So what? Does that mean no technology ever develops? Or (and this is the real thing, really, isn't it?) that there's no need to start finding other ways of producing energy? Tallbloke might laugh at electric cars; but he also laughs at mainstream science. So, he's a dick. Bye the bye, it's a bit much for a person who can barely get through a post without calling someone a prat to accuse anyone else of ad moms. Now, this is funny: though you and TB probably think it's a good reposte to the scientists who came up with the evolution hoax.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 22, 2017 18:51:16 GMT
The authentic knee jerk response of the intellectual inadequate.
Prat and bozo are terms of endearment you silly-billy!
Would you prefer "cabbage" in the French manner? It would probably be more appropriate.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 22, 2017 19:01:54 GMT
The authentic knee jerk response of the intellectual inadequate. Prat and bozo are terms of endearment you silly-billy! Would you prefer "cabbage" in the French manner? It would probably be more appropriate. So what? because it's new technology, and technology develops, gets better. Or maybe you don't think it does. All your posts are based on the idea that there's no AGW, or if there is it is a good thing (blah blah), which is demonstrably untrue. They don't come across like that. Are you interested in more films by the Italian bloke who did the film about the cinema?
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Post by jean on Jun 22, 2017 19:45:33 GMT
Prat and bozo are terms of endearment you silly-billy! Who'd have thought it! It shines a whole new light on the marchesa's online communication. Perhaps Nick understood this when he advised: Don't be such a moralistic tw*t, jean. Call a spade a spade m'lady. If you use the appropriate and respectable English - cunt - you can avoid the trouble of those delicate little asterisks. radio4scienceboards.proboards.com/post/30099/quote/2396
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Post by aubrey on Jun 22, 2017 20:23:45 GMT
I'll always use that as a term of endearment.
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Post by aubrey on Jun 22, 2017 20:57:20 GMT
Mind you, Nick's an arse.
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Post by jean on Jun 22, 2017 23:03:31 GMT
Or a prick.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 23, 2017 8:02:26 GMT
Thank you for the offer, aubrey. I don't want to put you to any trouble . I can get the Ennio Morricone soundtracks from Youtube. I do love them! They are often so deliberately tinny that they instantly take you back to another era.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 23, 2017 8:06:22 GMT
Battery technology is an old technology and there has been singular failure in creating long life batteries suitable for powering cars or indeed storing renewable energy. The claims are out of kilter with the achieved performance as with every other aspect of renewable energy hype.
I am not holding my breath. The Swedish research is spot on.
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