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Post by oldpunkette on Mar 26, 2007 13:53:30 GMT
Not the park, no. That's the bit that's not good. Let them go back to their homes/hostels and do their injecting. Smackheads off the streets! Every day on my way to work I walk by one of the smack-dealer's routine morning selling points, and I have to pick my way through the zombies, me trying to looking tough and not-the-kind-of-person-to-rob. It's exhausting. They have had their souls taken from them. They should go home with their crime-free impurity-free smack and do it to themselves there. Isn't this just hiding/ignoring the problem? Absolutely. Seeing as nobody seems to have found a workable way to get zombies off smack, sending them home to their own houses to do it to themselves seems sensible to me. In a public area they can recruit new members for their zombie army. |
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Post by piccione on Mar 26, 2007 19:45:21 GMT
Sands
////It was an unmitigated failure Piccy.////
The /set up/ of the Zurich Needle Park /open-air/ project (closed in 1992) was a failure yes. As a consequence of that set-up failure /another/ ‘experiment’ was introduced in Zurich in 1994. /That/ is the one I’m talking about…
And yes due to the failed open-air project /this/ experiment (injection rooms and needle exchanges) was initially very controversial. But after it showed that heroin addicts (those on the programme) had achieved a far better state of health and a more stable life-style, the Swiss voted for it to become a /government funded/ programme in 1997, and it spread to other parts of Switzerland. Now most major towns in Switzerland run the heroin prescription programme – with the result that HIV infection and death rates have fallen significantly.
To be fair I have to add that the programme has been and is being criticized by some for being too focused on (harm reductive) maintenance, rather than moving users on towards ‘abstinence’. I agree with that to an extend. Although I /do/ /not/ believe that quitting should be ‘imposed’ on users without them being ‘ready’ for life without drugs, there are some very effective ‘preparation’ programmes that can and do motivate users to quit. This is what the Swiss model, and other/similar approaches, need to incorporate far more.
I will answer the rest, and your /main/ question Sands when I’ve got ‘a millennium to spare’.... ;D
No seriously I will. Just ain’t got the time right now.
Btw I can also only speak for ‘Ms P’, not for ‘Mr P’. He can speak for himself alright and doesn’t need an advocate.
But he thinks I’m nuts for still trying....
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Post by Pink Betty on Mar 26, 2007 20:27:18 GMT
I wonder if your Ms P and Mr P are relatives of my own Mrs P and Mr P  we really must have a family reunion Piccione! |
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Post by oldpunkette on Mar 26, 2007 20:40:30 GMT
Picci - are you two people?
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Post by Pink Betty on Mar 26, 2007 20:48:53 GMT
Picci - are you two people? Pigeons are two a penny  No that does not refer to CG's username Penny! |
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Post by oldpunkette on Mar 26, 2007 20:55:07 GMT
Picci - are you two people? Pigeons are two a penny No that does not refer to CG's username Penny! Please don't ruin my paranoid conspiracy theories! |
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Post by piccione on Mar 26, 2007 21:16:57 GMT
////I wonder if your Ms P and Mr P are relatives of my own Mrs P and Mr P we really must have a family reunion Piccione!///
Quite possibly pinkmel. After I saw on my ‘round’ the other nite how err small the world of MBs is, nothing would surprise me anymore. Maybe I am /you/ - and you are /me/?
When organising the buffet for the family reunion, /please/ bear in mind that I don’t do ‘special stuff’ à la Royston Vasey. Actually I don‘t even do ‘special beef’ à la piccione - and least of all cows!
And you punky - put that spliff down immediately. It /is/ making you paranoid. Have a glass of wine instead. Not too much. That would make you paranoid as well...
Anyway - gotta be off now....
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Post by Pink Betty on Mar 26, 2007 21:20:21 GMT
You're never off Piccione - this seems to be your roosting spot - it's kinda scary!
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Post by piccione on Mar 26, 2007 22:44:39 GMT
///You're never off Piccione - this seems to be your roosting spot - it's kinda scary!///
Uhhhh yes pinkmel. My downfall. I’m far too easily distracted while working from home, especially late at nite when /I know/ no-one else /is/ working. Maybe I should go through Green Lounge withdrawal ‘cold turkey’ and get rid of my internet connection. But then I need broadband…for work. See - I’m making excuses. ‘Ambivalence’ - not even in ‘contemplation’ phase. Just not ready for life without ’the drug’ - yet. Far too early. I’ll get there eventually - before I ‘end up in a skip’.
Perhaps I need to get back to the roots. I’m really a dolphin trainer. But mostly swim with sharks these days. Risky biz. Makes me prone to drug use....
Anyway - what about you? What follows after the ‘jaundiced’ phase? That’s sounds pretty advanced. Pre-’zombie’ stage?
Or maybe I don’t wanna know the details of what the MB future may hold for me so I can keep kidding myself. For now anyway....
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Post by Pink Betty on Mar 26, 2007 22:51:34 GMT
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Mar 27, 2007 11:55:15 GMT
Its important not to dismiss the positive effects and usage of drugs whether Opiates, Cannabis and Alcohol. ..erm still waiting for the advantages of nocotine.  A substance, like a person, may have distinct and even contradictory aspects to its personality. Today ethyl alcohol, the drinkable species of alcohol, is a multifaceted entity; it may be social lubricant, sophisticated dining companion, cardiovascular health benefactor or agent of destruction. Throughout most of Western civilization's history, however, alcohol had a far different role. For most of the past 10 millennia, alcoholic beverages may have been the most popular and common daily drinks, indispensable sources of fluids and calories. In a world of contaminated and dangerous water supplies, alcohol truly earned the title granted it in the Middle Ages: aqua vitae, the "water of life." Potent evidence exists to open a window into a societal relationship with alcohol that is simply unimaginable today. Consider this statement, issued in 1777 by Prussia's Frederick the Great, whose economic strategy was threatened by importation of coffee: "It is disgusting to notice the increase in the quantity of coffee used by my subjects, and the amount of money that goes out of the country as a consequence. Everybody is using coffee; this must be prevented. His Majesty was brought up on beer, and so were both his ancestors and officers. Many battles have been fought and won by soldiers nourished on beer, and the King does not believe that coffee-drinking soldiers can be relied upon to endure hardships in case of another war."
Surely a modern leader who urged alcohol consumption over coffee, especially by the military, would have his or her mental competence questioned. But only an eyeblink ago in historical time, a powerful head of government could describe beer in terms that make it sound like mother's milk. And indeed, that nurturing role may be the one alcohol played from the infancy of the West to the advent of safe water supplies for the masses only within the past century. |
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Post by oldpunkette on Mar 27, 2007 12:55:47 GMT
Smoking makes you big and clever and attractive to the opposite sex.
D'uh Daz, i thought any fule know that.
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Mar 27, 2007 13:12:35 GMT
Oh thats alright then. I was just going to pack up but Doc OP you have given me the all clear. Wheres my oxygen tanks..I left them in the hall?  |
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Post by sandywinder on Mar 28, 2007 11:16:39 GMT
Sands ////It was an unmitigated failure Piccy.//// The /set up/ of the Zurich Needle Park /open-air/ project (closed in 1992) was a failure yes. As a consequence of that set-up failure /another/ ‘experiment’ was introduced in Zurich in 1994. /That/ is the one I’m talking about… And yes due to the failed open-air project /this/ experiment (injection rooms and needle exchanges) was initially very controversial. But after it showed that heroin addicts (those on the programme) had achieved a far better state of health and a more stable life-style, the Swiss voted for it to become a /government funded/ programme in 1997, and it spread to other parts of Switzerland. Now most major towns in Switzerland run the heroin prescription programme – with the result that HIV infection and death rates have fallen significantly. To be fair I have to add that the programme has been and is being criticized by some for being too focused on (harm reductive) maintenance, rather than moving users on towards ‘abstinence’. I agree with that to an extend. Although I /do/ /not/ believe that quitting should be ‘imposed’ on users without them being ‘ready’ for life without drugs, there are some very effective ‘preparation’ programmes that can and do motivate users to quit. This is what the Swiss model, and other/similar approaches, need to incorporate far more. I will answer the rest, and your /main/ question Sands when I’ve got ‘a millennium to spare’.... ;D No seriously I will. Just ain’t got the time right now. Btw I can also only speak for ‘Ms P’, not for ‘Mr P’. He can speak for himself alright and doesn’t need an advocate. But he thinks I’m nuts for still trying.... And I think you are nuts for other reasons. ;D |
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Post by sandywinder on Mar 28, 2007 11:17:39 GMT
Picci - are you two people? Pigeons are two a penny No that does not refer to CG's username Penny! But should we keep feeding them? |
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we really must have a family reunion Piccione!
No that does not refer to CG's username Penny!
