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Post by excoriator on Jan 18, 2018 14:50:17 GMT
He is welcome to his opinion, as are we all.
Personally, I'd be happier to see these places built by government-owned building departments which might be a lot cheaper too. But would they get built? I suspect not.
Given a choice of a comfy hospital that involves the government paying a huge amount of rent and a much cheaper but crumbling converted workhouse, I'd choose the former. But I think people are more important than budgets.
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Post by excoriator on Jan 18, 2018 17:57:56 GMT
Just come back from another splendid PFI-built hospital in Clatterbridge, Wirral where I had a lesion removed from my forehead. I can't fault the building or the staff. Both were cheerful and helpful, and I can't help thinking that working in cheerful well-equipped circumstances goes a great way in improving the attitude of the staff. I was seen within five minutes of my appointment and didn't have to wait at all. Excellent service. I vaguely recall the grim building it replaced - another old workhouse - where I visited friends on occasion. I was always glad to get out. It was a horrible building, and the staff matched it perfectly.
I really don't care two hoots how much these new hospitals cost. You can keep copying other people's opinions as if they are somehow more worth because they are journalists or commentators or professors of health economics until the cows come home Jean, if that is what amuses you. I base my opinions on what I've seen and experienced, not on other people's opinions, particularly when they have an obvious political axe to grind.
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Post by aubrey on Jan 18, 2018 18:15:51 GMT
That last one is not someone's opinion, Exco. In fact, Jean's links are usually to pieces that are well-sourced, and if opinion, are informed opinion, not just something someone thinks for some reason or another.
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Post by jean on Jan 18, 2018 18:19:37 GMT
Just come back from another splendid PFI-built hospital in Clatterbridge, Wirral where I had a lesion removed from my forehead. I can't fault the building or the staff. Both were cheerful and helpful, and I can't help thinking that working in cheerful well-equipped circumstances goes a great way in improving the attitude of the staff. I was seen within five minutes of my appointment and didn't have to wait at all. Excellent service. I vaguely recall the grim building it replaced - another old workhouse - where I visited friends on occasion. I was always glad to get out. It was a horrible building, and the staff matched it perfectly. Mere anecdotes, exco. And as such quite valueless.
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Post by excoriator on Jan 18, 2018 18:27:40 GMT
Jean has an unhealthy interest in money and the corruption that surrounds it and her posts reflect this. I am interested in neither, so seldom bother reading them.
However, I AM interested in the existence of adequate healthcare and educational facilities. Looked at dispassionately, however these are built involves many workers being paid to build the things. The result is that they exist and are put to good use in the service of the community. That political or financial stunts involving large amounts of cash being transferred to a variety of dodgy geezers or flaky companies worries me not at all.
I really don't understand why Jean seems to be incapable of understanding this, and keeps on posting things of no interest whatsoever to me in an attempt to bend my view to hers.
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Post by aqua on Jan 19, 2018 0:36:17 GMT
You've lost me, exco. If a load of the PFIs are failing, and the firms that were sub-contractors to the lead firm are set to fail; and if none of these firms will be available to build more hospitals - why is it all good?
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Post by excoriator on Jan 19, 2018 10:16:28 GMT
The people working in them will still exist and are capable of work. Whether they are employed by Carillion or Tarmac or Amey or any other builder (and they will be; the work still needs doing) makes little difference.
I don't worry about large sums of money moving from government into the hands of shareholders either. They will spend the money, and that will create a need for new factories to supply them with what they buy. This is what the government should be doing anyway, not using it to repay debt which is a sure way of strangling growth as they have - and are - demonstrating. And for the nth time too!
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