kipper
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Post by kipper on Jun 24, 2007 22:01:44 GMT
I wonder - if you get hit by a Gay Bomb, and you're gay already, would that have made you...like... er... Super Gay ?
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Post by piccione on Jun 24, 2007 23:07:57 GMT
I wonder - if you get hit by a Gay Bomb, and you're gay already, would that have made you...like... er... Super Gay ? ...and would happens to an ‘Ethnic’ if they got hit by the (speculative) Israelian Ethno Bomb? Would they become.....Super Ethnic…? Back to the drawing board, Mr Olmert..... |
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Post by piccione on Jun 24, 2007 23:19:57 GMT
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Post by sandywinder on Jun 26, 2007 9:06:25 GMT
In addition, the MoD has admitted that it permits soldiers to take a drug called kava-kava, from the South Pacific, which is known to be linked to severe liver damage.
This is absolute bollux.
How come half of Polynesia do not get liver damage apart from those who drink copious amounts of alcohol of course?
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Post by piccione on Jun 26, 2007 21:56:46 GMT
////This is absolute bollux. How come half of Polynesia do not get liver damage apart from those who drink copious amounts of alcohol of course?//// Yes Sands I agree - it’s silly to suggest that kava causes liver failure in those who have perfectly healthy livers. Just as silly as the claim that cannabis causes schizophrenia because of a correlation in heavy users who are predisposed. Speaking of which, have you read ‘the latest’ yet? And from the White House as well! So it /must/ be true.... wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=6693805 |
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Post by sandywinder on Jun 27, 2007 13:42:02 GMT
////This is absolute bollux. How come half of Polynesia do not get liver damage apart from those who drink copious amounts of alcohol of course?//// Yes Sands I agree - it’s silly to suggest that kava causes liver failure in those who have perfectly healthy livers. Just as silly as the claim that cannabis causes schizophrenia because of a correlation in heavy users who are predisposed. Speaking of which, have you read ‘the latest’ yet? And from the White House as well! So it /must/ be true.... wkbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=6693805Sorry piccy but kava kava doesn't cause liver failure in people with dodgy livers either. I remember the story a few years back when it was banned by the EU. Oddly enough they didn't ban any pharmaceutical medicines that cause thousands of liver deaths each year, some of which were also used by those that were reported to have died from taking kava kava. But the suppliers of kava did not have the financial lobbying clout as the major pharmaceutical companies did. On the other hand cannabis DOES dangerously exacerbate the problem of schizophrenia in people with a tendency to have the problem. As for marijuana just because the report has come from the White House does not mean it is necessarily untrue either. |
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Post by sandywinder on Jun 27, 2007 13:48:44 GMT
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Post by piccione on Jun 27, 2007 19:13:41 GMT
////Sorry piccy but kava kava doesn't cause liver failure in people with dodgy livers either.//// 'Sorry'? You ain't got a clue how relieved I am to hear that! ;D I agree. /Very few/ cases of liver toxicity have been /linked/ to kava, and have led to a complete panic reaction. /////On the other hand cannabis DOES dangerously exacerbate the problem of schizophrenia in people with a tendency to have the problem.//// Yes, it /can/ speed up the process of developing full-blown psychosis or schizophrenic symptoms in those who are ‘vulnerable’, ie predisposed (either genetically and/or through any/several of the 5 identified (main) environmental factors linked to schizophrenia). And so can nicotine! (...which is smoked /together/ with cannabis - ie ‘double trouble’). This is widely accepted, but often falsely interpreted as a /causal/ factor for schizophrenia, especially in the ‘popular media’. But, contrary to what the ‘popular media’ (and even /some/ specialised press) try and make us believe, any /causal/ connection between cannabis and schizophrenia is very much disputed amongst independent experts. /They/ actually bemoan the fact that the highly politicised debate leads to distortions and (deliberate) misinterpretations of research results, depending on political interests. And for every study supporting a /causal/ link, there is another refuting it – you just don’t hear so much about them (suprise, surprise). Here is one example, based on the proposed three possible models explaining the cannabis–schizotypal link: (1) cannabis use increases risk for schizotypal traits; (2) schizotypal traits increase risk for cannabis use; (3) a third causal variable underlies both cannabis use and schizotypal traits. The study is by Jason Schiffman (published in ScienceDirect, March 2005). It's only the abstract. I can’t post the link for the entire article, because it’s a restricted (login or purchase) access academic journal article. www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TBV-4FNTHD7-2&_user=10&_coverDate=03%2F30%2F2005&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=0b14fd1ce043ea550a089f256dd5a9efHere is another excerpt: [While findings from all three investigations above [named in the article] buttress the notion that cannabis use correlates with schizotypal personality traits in the general population, research in this area has thus far not established a causal link between these two variables. Specifically, no investigation to date has examined the temporal order of the onset of cannabis use and schizotypy.] It is a well-established fact that people with, or on the onset of mental illness are also far more prone to regular drug (and alcohol) mis/use, i.e. ‘self-medication’. A very recent review of nine studies (mostly from the US) concluded that approx. 40–50% of schizophrenic patients have a lifetime history of substance mis/use, /because/ of their illness, meaning the onset of illness /preceded/ drug use. This does not mean that cannabis use (or use of certain other drugs) can not aggravate symptoms and traits of the illness in individuals. But it’s not the /cause/. ////As for marijuana just because the report has come from the White House does not mean it is necessarily untrue either.//// No, it’s not (necessarily) the fact that it’s from the White House, it’s the fact that it’s making an even falser and more simplistic causal link (as is commonly made between cannabis use and schizophrenia). Again, this is because it is highly political. And /especially/ for the White House. But we've been through all that.... No no - if you want a reliable study, look at this.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-39mVaSvdU A hammock! Now what other proof do you need! It doesn’t make people (or spiders) aggressive at all! It makes them nice ‘n’ chilled! ;D Whereas this one, on the other hand, is -hmmmm- highly speculative – in more than one way..... www.youtube.com/watch?v=PybtBKSAtLM |
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Post by piccione on Jun 27, 2007 19:15:57 GMT
Soz, the link to the abstract didn't work. This is it:
[Abstract
The current investigation uses a large non-clinical sample of undergraduate college students (N=189) to investigate schizotypal traits among cannabis and non-cannabis users, as well as the temporal order of the onset of these traits and cannabis use. Findings suggest that regular cannabis users are significantly more prone to cognitive and perceptual distortions as well as disorganization, but not interpersonal deficits, than non-regular users and those who have never used. Additionally, the onset of schizotypal symptoms generally precedes the onset of cannabis use. The findings do not support a causal link between cannabis use and schizotypal traits.]
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Post by piccione on Jun 27, 2007 19:23:12 GMT
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Post by sandywinder on Jun 29, 2007 10:13:26 GMT
As someone who has no desire to fly again the prospect of pilots on amphetamines instead of or as well as alcohol doesn't worry me too much. But knowing my luck a plane will probably crash on my house.
<<< Methamphetamine affects the brain and can create feelings of pleasure, increase energy and elevate mood. Abusers may become addicted quickly, needing higher doses more often. Adverse health effects include irregular heartbeat, increased blood pressure and a variety of psychological problems. Long-term effects may include severe mental disorders, memory loss and severe dental problems. >>>
Dental problems? Now that is serious. ;D
Lucky the pilots have autonav systems or they may forget where they are going, eh?
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Post by kipper on Jun 29, 2007 14:22:12 GMT
I always forget to go to the Dentist - and then he fines me, which drives me mad
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Post by piccione on Jun 29, 2007 17:20:11 GMT
/////As someone who has no desire to fly again the prospect of pilots on amphetamines instead of or as well as alcohol doesn't worry me too much. But knowing my luck a plane will probably crash on my house./////
The answer to that is, Sands, start taking Crystal Meth yourself.
The plane might still crash on your house, but at least you’ll find it funny. ;D
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Post by sandywinder on Jun 30, 2007 11:01:26 GMT
/////As someone who has no desire to fly again the prospect of pilots on amphetamines instead of or as well as alcohol doesn't worry me too much. But knowing my luck a plane will probably crash on my house.///// The answer to that is, Sands, start taking Crystal Meth yourself. The plane might still crash on your house, but at least you’ll find it funny. ;D Yes I'll be in stitches or just cracking up. |
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Post by piccione on Jul 1, 2007 17:30:36 GMT
/////Yes I'll be in stitches or just cracking up.////
You won’t mind the stitches either when you’re ‘cracked’ up....
I see you’re slowly coming round to the idea of drug-taking, Sands. ;D
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