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Post by gustavski on Jul 7, 2007 15:25:28 GMT
A North African Ahmed Errachidi has been released from Guantanamo Bay after serving 5 years there in a cage that only allowed 3 paces. He is innocent and he has been there without charge or trial .
He was for 16 years a chef in a London restaurant . He had been to Pakistan in the hope of buying cheap silver to sell in Britain when he was seized by the CIA on the sole allegation that that he was a senior figure at an al-Qa'eda training camp in Afghanistan. This charge was proved false by lawyers who according to eye witnesses, pay slips and tax records which proved that at time that he was working at the Westbury Hotel in Mayfair London.
Whitehall had rejected pleas to help him because he was not a British citizen ( perfidious Albion)
How can some message boards daily chant the same crapola that Iran, Iraq indeed all of Islam have no human rights when it is plain as the nose on their face that the USA and Britain are the same albeit more cunning with it.
gus
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Post by sandywinder on Jul 7, 2007 15:32:19 GMT
I assume you believe every word he says, Gus.
A terrorist guy from Bolton has just been found guilty but if you took his word for it he was as pure as the driven snow.
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Post by gustavski on Jul 7, 2007 15:38:42 GMT
I assume you believe every word he says, Gus. A terrorist guy from Bolton has just been found guilty but if you took his word for it he was as pure as the driven snow. Bollox, If Errachidi was guilty why was he not charged and tried. Btw i forgot you are one of them on that message board that can only see one side of the coin. Do you not get tired of spewing the same old crapola to each other day in day out, with only a few decent posters trying like Canute to halt the tide. gus |
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Post by mimi on Jul 7, 2007 16:13:28 GMT
... with only a few decent posters trying like Canute to halt the tide. gus It wasn't Canute who tried to stem the tide. His courtiers tried to flatter him by saying he was so powerful he could halt the tide. All he did was show them he couldn't. A little learning is a dangerous thing nor any drop to drink (nor iron bars a cage?). |
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Post by gustavski on Jul 7, 2007 16:32:01 GMT
... with only a few decent posters trying like Canute to halt the tide. gus It wasn't Canute who tried to stem the tide. His courtiers tried to flatter him by saying he was so powerful he could halt the tide. All he did was show them he couldn't. A little learning is a dangerous thing nor any drop to drink (nor iron bars a cage?). I bow before your superiour knowledge mimi. my mistake. Even a little learning is surely better than none at all? gus |
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Post by piccione on Jul 7, 2007 16:32:23 GMT
/////Bollox, If Errachidi was guilty why was he not charged and tried.
Btw i forgot you are one of them on that message board that can only see one side of the coin.
Do you not get tired of spewing the same old crapola to each other day in day out, with only a few decent posters trying like Canute to halt the tide.////
Personally, I think it’s all about James Bond, Gus.
What do you do when you no longer have an Iron Curtain?
Send James Bond into retirement…?
No - you simply google up stories by the Ann Coulters and Melanie Phillips'es of this world, providing you with a shiny new enemy that fits the bill of self-righteous condemnation - as long as you don’t ask any questions of course. But that’s the beauty of self-righteousness - you don’t /need/ to ask or answer awkward questions.
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Post by gustavski on Jul 7, 2007 17:04:54 GMT
/////Bollox, If Errachidi was guilty why was he not charged and tried. Btw i forgot you are one of them on that message board that can only see one side of the coin. Do you not get tired of spewing the same old crapola to each other day in day out, with only a few decent posters trying like Canute to halt the tide.//// Personally, I think it’s all about James Bond, Gus. What do you do when you no longer have an Iron Curtain? Send James Bond into retirement…? No - you simply google up stories by the Ann Coulters and Melanie Phillips'es of this world, providing you with a shiny new enemy that fits the bill of self-righteous condemnation - as long as you don’t ask any questions of course. But that’s the beauty of self-righteousness - you don’t /need/ to ask or answer awkward questions. Not being one that can aways see what someone else is getting at, would you tell me if you think that the people who rattle on about the ills of Islam yet can see no wrong in the ills of the so called democratic countries are correct in doing so. gus |
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Post by piccione on Jul 7, 2007 23:03:03 GMT
////Not being one that can aways see what someone else is getting at, would you tell me if you think that the people who rattle on about the ills of Islam yet can see no wrong in the ills of the so called democratic countries are correct in doing so.////
In a nutshell Gus.
Who says you can’t see what someone is getting at....
It’s kinda ‘funny’ how people are outraged at being lied to by their governments. But, ultimately, it’s not ‘quite’ as bad as being killed as a consequence of that lie.
But perhaps /some/ people’s democratic rights are worth more than other people’s lives.
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Post by gustavski on Jul 8, 2007 7:18:40 GMT
////Not being one that can aways see what someone else is getting at, would you tell me if you think that the people who rattle on about the ills of Islam yet can see no wrong in the ills of the so called democratic countries are correct in doing so.//// In a nutshell Gus. Who says you can’t see what someone is getting at.... It’s kinda ‘funny’ how people are outraged at being lied to by their governments. But, ultimately, it’s not ‘quite’ as bad as being killed as a consequence of that lie. But perhaps /some/ people’s democratic rights are worth more than other people’s lives. It seems to me ironic that some boards (no names) will go on ad nauseum about a country or culture yet can not see that the same things they condemn happen right here in the UK and of course with our cousins the good old USA of A . The problem by saying these very salient facts you are accused of being a traitor, appeaser, and a rotter to boot. Prisoners were locked up in Long Kesh in the North of Ireland without charge or trial as they are in Guantanamo Bay gus |
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Post by sandywinder on Jul 8, 2007 14:18:44 GMT
I assume you believe every word he says, Gus. A terrorist guy from Bolton has just been found guilty but if you took his word for it he was as pure as the driven snow. Bollox, If Errachidi was guilty why was he not charged and tried. Btw i forgot you are one of them on that message board that can only see one side of the coin. Do you not get tired of spewing the same old crapola to each other day in day out, with only a few decent posters trying like Canute to halt the tide. gus I never post the amount of crapola that you like to dole out. And in the West we have a different view of the legal system. Here we need loads of evidence to find someone guilty (no matter how obvious it is) . This is not a Communist or Islamic state. And look at how in America both OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson managed to get off. |
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Post by gustavski on Jul 8, 2007 15:46:57 GMT
Bollox, If Errachidi was guilty why was he not charged and tried. Btw i forgot you are one of them on that message board that can only see one side of the coin. Do you not get tired of spewing the same old crapola to each other day in day out, with only a few decent posters trying like Canute to halt the tide. gus I never post the amount of crapola that you like to dole out. And in the West we have a different view of the legal system. Here we need loads of evidence to find someone guilty (no matter how obvious it is) . This is not a Communist or Islamic state. And look at how in America both OJ Simpson and Michael Jackson managed to get off. Again in the same old weary way it is "look at them, what terrible people, not like us you know" has it not sunk into the thick heads over you know where that people everywhere just want a square deal. of course there are hotheads everywhere who want to incite the mob, But I think in every country there is more good than evil. You blighters just can't see it. gus |
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Post by piccione on Jul 8, 2007 16:08:09 GMT
////And in the West we have a different view of the legal system. Here we need loads of evidence to find someone guilty (no matter how obvious it is) .////
Sands is right Gus, you know. Look at the ‘loads of’ reliable and watertight evidence ’the West’ needed before invading Iraq.
It’s also the reason why Bush had no choice but commute Lewis Libby’s sentence. There was /just/ not enough evidence to justify the sentence. The cynics who claim he’s trying to protect the White House over Iraq got it wrong.
Seriously, Gus! You got it wrong too: There /are/ no moral or judicial double standards - here in ‘the West’……
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Post by gustavski on Jul 8, 2007 19:07:02 GMT
////And in the West we have a different view of the legal system. Here we need loads of evidence to find someone guilty (no matter how obvious it is) .//// Sands is right Gus, you know. Look at the ‘loads of’ reliable and watertight evidence ’the West’ needed before invading Iraq. It’s also the reason why Bush had no choice but commute Lewis Libby’s sentence. There was /just/ not enough evidence to justify the sentence. The cynics who claim he’s trying to protect the White House over Iraq got it wrong. Seriously, Gus! You got it wrong too: There /are/ no moral or judicial double standards - here in ‘the West’…… OMG will i get nothing right  gus |
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Post by kipper on Jul 8, 2007 22:43:54 GMT
Judge GUS: "...Whitehall had rejected pleas to help him because he was not a British citizen ( perfidious Albion)"
I don't know if the bloke was in the frame or not ... I suppose the evidence has to be sifted with afine comb , to know.
But the British Gov. turning away from "the problem" is fair, in my reading.
This bloke has his own Gov. and Country - and they should've put in the diplomatic effort to support him.
If it were Morocco, Algiers or whichever, then he would probably get a postcard with "good luck" written on it, true. But that's his country - UK has no power to do anything for him.
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Post by piccione on Jul 8, 2007 23:00:55 GMT
////OMG will i get nothing right////
Don’t be too hard on yourself, Gus. As long as you repent and agree with /this/ statement, all will be alright....
[We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.]
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