The Idiots guide to left-wing postings.

[sandywinder]

I posted it on Daz's Feet so I'll post it here.

Step 1. Introduction.

In the beginning is the word. And the word is Guardian. So read the Guardian daily and believe every word it says , no matter how contradictory it may turn out.

Step 2. Getting going.

Once you have read the Guardian for about three days you will be an expert on everything that is going on in the world and you can demonstrate your ability on message boards like this.

Step3. Your posts.

These should follow closely what the Holy Paper has published that morning.

Step4. Replying to others.

Now this is the tricky bit.

But there are FIVE simple steps you can take, when some amazing piece of logic and common sense is posted, that totally destroys your pathetic line of argument.

1) Ask for evidence.

2) If the the evidence does not come from the Guardian (oh praise its name) or some other revered source, dismiss it with utter contempt no matter how many FACTS are given.

3) If the post does come from the Guardian (Hallelujah) your best bet is to divert the subject onto another topic.

4) If this strategy is countered resort to petty abuse, unwarranted hyperbole or suggest that the poster is not being reasonable. Terms such as xenopohobe, racist, etc should be used liberally. It may even be worth adopting some nickname that shows off just how clever you are.

5) As this is unlikely to put off the opponent, who will by now have posted far more compelling evidence than you could throw a stick at, suggest that the poster is 'ranting' or some other twaddle.

This should deftly take you back to number 1.

Step5. Conclusion.

Under no circumstances allow the rules that you apply to others apply to you.

[Daz Madrigal]

Well I'm hardly going to disagree, Sandy.

What we really need now is someone who avidly reads the Guardian. Personally I can't stand anything about it, whether its the sentiments, the writers or the style and layout. The typeface is awful. Not quite as bad as it used to be but just the bold portentious headline typeface is enough for me.

I can just about stomach the Independent. The Times used to be okay until Murdoch took it over. Why some Aussie-American plutocrat thinks he can tell us all what to do and who to vote for is totally beyond me. The sooner both he and his children get seen off the better. The idea of bringing out some tabloid rag with the headline Vote Labour (or Tory) on the front page is ridiculous.

[Daz Madrigal]

Thats my serious piece, Marvin.

Hope you like.

[gus2]

If you tend to be of the right wing persusion as sandy and Daz are it is pointless reading the Grauniad. All that will happen is that half way through when they read that more immigrants are needed not less, their molars will begin to grind, they will tear the paper into shreds and set fire to it in the living room.
It is the same situation with someone such as exco who is left wing who after reading in the Daily Wail or the Torygraph that paedophiles are roaming the streets and that the only plumber that turns up has a name with three z's, 4 y's, and 2 x's in it. He will of course be so enraged that he will make the life of innocent 4x4 drivers a living hell. My advice to the three of them is to only read the Komik Kuts and in the evening settle down with Busty Babes.

gus

[sandywinder]

You may have a point. However the difference is that I am prepared to debate matters seriously using logic and reasoning. Others are not.

For instance if the population is already growing (more births than deaths) even without immigrants, why do we need more immigration? What logic is there in that?

[gus2]

sandywinder said:

You may have a point. However the difference is that I am prepared to debate matters seriously using logic and reasoning. Others are not.

For instance if the population is already growing (more births than deaths) even without immigrants, why do we need more immigration? What logic is there in that?

Is this true what you say. I know older people are living longer and swelling the population but surely they are not the one's having carpet rats, unless it is a Sun headline " granny at 85 gives birth to quads" Are not the very people who you seem to be complaining about having the children. I notice it is non white woman that seem to walking around pregnant. Lets hope the little non white sprogs keep the basic pension scheme alive and well.

gus

[sandywinder]

www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.more.ukpoptable.html


These are the facts. It is blindingly obvious that the birth rate is linked to the population growth. After WW1 and WW2 when many more people died than would have done normally the birth rate shot up to compensate.

It is also blindingly obvious that people who are living longer are also more ACTIVE longer and can therefore do many of the jobs that school-leavers can do, such as working in shops and supermarkets.

Added to which they have the advantage of being able to ADD UP which the children 'educated' today can not seem to master.

I don't know WHO are the people having babies, but you are probably right in saying that immigrants generally have more than Brits do. Another good reason not to have even MORE immigration, I would have said.

[gus2]

sandywinder said:

www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.more.ukpoptable.html


These are the facts. It is blindingly obvious that the birth rate is linked to the population growth. After WW1 and WW2 when many more people died than would have done normally the birth rate shot up to compensate.

It is also blindingly obvious that people who are living longer are also more ACTIVE longer and can therefore do many of the jobs that school-leavers can do, such as working in shops and supermarkets.

Added to which they have the advantage of being able to ADD UP which the children 'educated' today can not seem to master.

I don't know WHO are the people having babies, but you are probably right in saying that immigrants generally have more than Brits do. Another good reason not to have even MORE immigration, I would have said.

I fail to see the reason for your statement that it is another good reason not to have more immigration. Are you talking of the British citizens who have foreign parents or grand parents, immigrants that are here now or the ones that want to be here?


gus

[sandywinder]

If immigrants have far more babies than Brits, then it stands to reason that the birth rate will rise with the numbers already here. So the country can cope quite well in replacing the population, as it has so easily managed to do anyway for the last hundred years, without the need to import millions more.

[gus2]

sandywinder said:

If immigrants have far more babies than Brits, then it stands to reason that the birth rate will rise with the numbers already here. So the country can cope quite well in replacing the population, as it has so easily managed to do anyway for the last hundred years, without the need to import millions more.

Read this and weep sandy.
An estimated 208,000 British citizens left here in 2004. Around 4.5 million British passport holders are living abroad. Compare this with the 2.9 foreign nationals living in Britain.
It seems we are creating conflict in certain countries. In Spain, British children have been subjected to racist attacks. Only about 10% of British patients in Spanish hospitals can tell the doctors and staff what is wrong with them without an interpreter. In France there are complaints that the Brits are living in ghettos, riding rough shod over local customs and avoiding paying taxes.
800,000 Brits in China most of them in Hong Kong, 615,000 permanant Brits in Australia and 500,000 in the United States.
Does this sound familiar to your whinging about immigrants to Britain. I expect an apology on my desk very soon otherwise I will let the dogs from JSG loose, with exco riding to the hounds ;D

gus

[sandywinder]

Could you not read the link I gave. It clearly shows the NET immigration. This means the numbers of extra people arriving here than leaving here.

You will find the figures on the right hand side.

www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.more.ukpoptable.html

Since 1993 this figure has been rising remorselessly.

Your figures completely ignore the fact that people WANT British passports. They just don't want to have Pakistani, Indian, Bangla Deshi or passports from elsewhere.

Personally I do not blame the people leaving as they are forced to endure congestion on the roads and on the streets, hospitals cutting services, high crime levels, threats of terrorism etc.

Do you?

[Daz Madrigal]

Its the talented and British who are doing the leaving and those that can't find work or don't want to find work that are coming in.

I mean, look at QQR since Annabelle left the country - its gone to the dogs! ;D

[gus2]

sandywinder said:

Could you not read the link I gave. It clearly shows the NET immigration. This means the numbers of extra people arriving here than leaving here.

You will find the figures on the right hand side.

www.optimumpopulation.org/opt.more.ukpoptable.html

Since 1993 this figure has been rising remorselessly.

Your figures completely ignore the fact that people WANT British passports. They just don't want to have Pakistani, Indian, Bangla Deshi or passports from elsewhere.

Personally I do not blame the people leaving as they are forced to endure congestion on the roads and on the streets, hospitals cutting services, high crime levels, threats of terrorism etc.

Do you?

sandy this a letter to the Times from a chap in Colchester.

quote: I have no intention of leaving Britain to live or retire abroad. I am happy to listen to Radio 4, drink tea, eat fish and chips and watch people make fools of themselves on the X factor in an ever changing climate. I encourage those who want to leave to go as soon as possible so that i don't have to listen to their constant whining. I will also be able to get to work easier, park in town centres and employ well-educated and hard working Poles and Romanians who will look after me in my old age. unquote.
I can hear the the teeth grinding on the JSG board ;D

gus

[mimi]

Yes but Colchester has all those wonderful oysters.

[gus2]

mimi2 said:

Yes but Colchester has all those wonderful oysters.

and the wonderful prices to buy them.

gus