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Post by Pink Betty on Dec 7, 2006 10:03:14 GMT
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sandywinder
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Post by sandywinder on Dec 7, 2006 11:28:51 GMT
I DON'T BELIEVE IT!
Sadly I do.
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Post by Pink Betty on Dec 7, 2006 11:31:54 GMT
I am mortified. There was so much evidence against them and the police had been on their trail for years.
The Jury were not perverse, they were STUPID. How can men who are fleecing old folk to the tune of millions be on benefits?
They let them of those charges too - mind boggling.
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Daz Madrigal
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Dec 7, 2006 11:33:36 GMT
I was not there for the lst 2 weeks of the trial as i had to return to
work, but from what i could gather was that after 5 days of
deliberating the jury shocked everyone by returning the Not Guilty verdicts as
they could not make up their minds and erred on the side of caution.
It has gone down as a perverse jury decision and there are still people
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Pink Betty on Dec 7, 2006 11:36:35 GMT
Obviously the police are more upset by it than me - it was years of work all for nothing.
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Daz Madrigal
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Dec 7, 2006 11:41:42 GMT
I am mortified. There was so much evidence against them and the police had been on their trail for years. The Jury were not perverse, they were STUPID. How can men who are fleecing old folk to the tune of millions be on benefits? They let them of those charges too - mind boggling. There must be more to it, Mel. I know juries can be stupid but they're directed by the Judge to some extent and if they are obvious con men then it has to be an open and shut case. So either they are fleecing conmen (in which they should be convicted easily) or they are kosher but unscrupoulous and sad to say when it comes to buying and selling people arent interested in the monies you get but how cheaply they can get it. In other words its every man for himself and if you can get away it - they will. It just means they have no morals and no principles but ultimately theyre not guilty. Unless theres a re-trial  |
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Daz Madrigal
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Dec 7, 2006 11:43:36 GMT
Is there any link to the case, Mel.
I dont see how they can possibly get off.
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Post by Nathan deGargoyle on Dec 7, 2006 11:49:06 GMT
Un-bloody-believable!
So sorry Mel!
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Post by Pink Betty on Dec 7, 2006 11:49:59 GMT
if you google Lee Collins and Mark Duncan you will get a few results i think - also Blackfriars Crown Court.
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Post by Pink Betty on Dec 7, 2006 11:53:42 GMT
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Daz Madrigal
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Dec 7, 2006 11:58:15 GMT
found it -
Dealers cleared
Two wealthy antiques dealers have been cleared of deception, theft and money-laundering. Lee Collins, 39, from Brighton, and Mark Duncan, 33, from Buxted, East Sussex, denied undervaluing or stealing heirlooms worth £2 million. The jury at Blackfriars Crown Court was unable to reach a verdict on conspiracy charges.
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Post by mathilde on Dec 7, 2006 12:00:56 GMT
I'm so sorry PM.  It's times like this I wish there was a god. A bloody vengeful one.  |
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Daz Madrigal
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Dec 7, 2006 12:07:41 GMT
hmm I hate to say this but that must account for 50 per cent of Antique dealers. Even David Dickinson has spent a lengthy time in jail. Most of them despite daft programmes like The Antique Roadshow are merely wheelers and dealers 'duckers and divers' the majority of people who deal in them are more akin to 'Lovejoy'..they're wheelers and dealers ermm at the risk of sounding like a cracked record I've printed for them. You seem to have come across two of the very worst cases who verge on out and out conmen.
Its an easy way of making money by having a silver tongue and being manipulative plus not having to work. Its a job for the workshy apart from the Upper end of the market who are old Etonians etc.
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Daz Madrigal
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Dec 7, 2006 12:15:16 GMT
Its odd..one one hand they're described as wealthy men and on the other as 'knocker boys'.
Its the oldest scam in the book..knock on the door of an old granny 'legitimately' buy her antiques but don't tell her how much they're really worth. Its common practice, hence the reason why - despite Pj's open policy - you should 'never' allow people in you house or even unlock the chain if your old.
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Daz Madrigal
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Dec 7, 2006 12:26:51 GMT
I'm so sorry PM. It's times like this I wish there was a god. A bloody vengeful one. YouR wish if fulfilled. What do you want of me, Mel?  |
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