i wonder if it's really Ella's birthday....

[ella]

Wow, I am flattered...four pages devoted to my birthday...Uh...I didn't read all four pages because of some of the big words...

Yep, on Jan 6th of this wonderful new year I transformed from a classic antique into just another boring old fart. Thank goodness my sister didn't try to put 50 candles on the cake or the entire fire department would have been called ;D

Thanks for remembering.
rog

[Pink Betty]

Wow! 50!

Well done for making it this far Ella.

You are a fellow capricorn then....

[sandywinder]

madrigalman said:

sandywinder said:

Beauty contests are not about forecasting the future but choosing a woman. And you will give your vote to the one who promises to sleep with you. That's logical to me.

As for politics decisions as to which party to vote for are based on logic. Often it is misplaced logic but if you have preference for some policies then you will more likely vote for a party that supports those policies.

If you hated the fact that British powers were being taken away by European politicians and dogsbodies it would not be logical to vote for the Tory party or Labour or the Lib-Dems for instance.

Nonsense.

People vote for a whole host of reasons. You keep mentioning logic as if its some shining beacon.

People vote due to heredity very often..they have same views as their peers at University maybe...peer pressure...or maybe vote out of their hearts. Help the Poor - Help stop the War.

Or dont you recognise the Heart either - is that another fallacy, Sandy?

It is not nonsense at all. People base their vote on their own experiences and prejudices. That is logical.

In the same way in a beauty competition people vote for someone because of their prejudices as to what makes a beautiful woman.
They have the evidence of the women in front of them to make decision. That is logical. It would be illogical if they chose the ugliest hag in the building because they were hidden from view.

But you are obfuscating the argument again, You are saying that people can foretell the future via the stars, which is not only nonsense but ridiculous.

A person who judges a contest has the evidence in front of them.

You have nothing at all.

[Daz Madrigal]

How can the individual be using pure logic and nothing else when certain cities such as M/cr and Liverpool always vote in a Labour candidate whilst Cheltenham and Maidstone always vote Conservative.

How can such decisions be reached by pure logic and not herd mentality?

[Daz Madrigal]

admin said:

Wow! 50!

Well done for making it this far Ella.

You are a fellow capricorn then....

More importantly Happy Birthday to Ella!

[darinka]

[glow=red,2,300]Happy birthday![/glow]

[Nathan deGargoyle]

Hi, Ella, Congrats on your half ton!

Only a few months 'til I'll be joining you.

[Daz Madrigal]

None of us are getting any younger.

..apart from me of course.

[sandywinder]

madrigalman said:

How can the individual be using pure logic and nothing else when certain cities such as M/cr and Liverpool always vote in a Labour candidate whilst Cheltenham and Maidstone always vote Conservative.

How can such decisions be reached by pure logic and not herd mentality?

Simple. Because M/cr and Liverpool are full mostly of working class people on lower incomes. Cheltenham are composed mainly of thee genteel middle class. So they are logically going to vote for a party that they think will best favour their circumstances.

[Daz Madrigal]

Logic isn't part of the process though.

Its herd mentality and pure selfishness. They're voting for whatevers in it for themselves rather than the greater good. Would you call that logic?

You make it sound as though the streets of Toxteth are made up of University Professors rather than a mass of people more likely to be found on the Kop.

[Daz Madrigal]

The best thing you can do is find someone who was b. in Scotland and ask them to give me several periods that were opposite in nature i.e. very good or very bad and to give a few details.

[sandywinder]

madrigalman said:

Logic isn't part of the process though.

Its herd mentality and pure selfishness. They're voting for whatevers in it for themselves rather than the greater good. Would you call that logic?

You make it sound as though the streets of Toxteth are made up of University Professors rather than a mass of people more likely to be found on the Kop.

I'd call it extremely logical to be selfish. Without selfishness man would have been extinct long ago. Survival of the fittest and also of the most selfish. Left wingers don't like this idea one bit but without it where would we all be now.

If your ancestors had said 'No after you' whenever there was a kill they would have starved to death.

There is logic in many more areas than you or I could imagine.

Even the herd mentality is based on logic. Gathering together for mutual protection rather than being isolated and risk being picked off by predators one by one.

Logic is just a matter of reasoning and suggesting that everything that makes sense has a reason.

See definition:

www.answers.com/topic/logic

[sandywinder]

madrigalman said:

The best thing you can do is find someone who was b. in Scotland and ask them to give me several periods that were opposite in nature i.e. very good or very bad and to give a few details.

Sorry Daz I don't know wtf you are talking about.

[Daz Madrigal]

sandywinder said:

madrigalman said:

Logic isn't part of the process though.

Its herd mentality and pure selfishness. They're voting for whatevers in it for themselves rather than the greater good. Would you call that logic?

You make it sound as though the streets of Toxteth are made up of University Professors rather than a mass of people more likely to be found on the Kop.

I'd call it extremely logical to be selfish. Without selfishness man would have been extinct long ago. Survival of the fittest and also of the most selfish. Left wingers don't like this idea one bit but without it where would we all be now.

If your ancestors had said 'No after you' whenever there was a kill they would have starved to death.

There is logic in many more areas than you or I could imagine.

Even the herd mentality is based on logic. Gathering together for mutual protection rather than being isolated and risk being picked off by predators one by one.

So in that case, by following your flawed 'logic' of selfishness, the Germans who carried Adolf Hitler to power were merely following logic.

And what of the ones who disgreed were they purely over emotional hand wringers who can be dismissed as illiogical do-gooders, Sandy?

Its interesting that the major force behind Hitlers ideas was the 'pure logic' expounded by scientists. Eugenics makes perfect sense using your lodestone of 'logic'. However pure reason and logic when put into practice are extremely dangerous bedfellows.

Its also worth remebering that an unhindered devotion to pure logic can lead us up some terrible blind alleys - the invention of the Atom Bomb, Sandy? - but you seem perfectly happy to continue following these pied pipers blithely.

Are you not concerned by the Nuclear weapons possessed by Iran, N.Korea, Pakistan or even the USA?

To confuse pure greed and selfishness with logic and reason seems is extremely dubious and would be thrown out of any philosophy class in the country. Logic is by definition supposed to rely on being totally dispassionate.

..there is nothing dispassionate about a mad Gold Rush with every man for himself and a pushing aside of anyone who happens to get in your way.

[Daz Madrigal]

sandywinder said:

madrigalman said:

The best thing you can do is find someone who was b. in Scotland and ask them to give me several periods that were opposite in nature i.e. very good or very bad and to give a few details.

Sorry Daz I don't know wtf you are talking about.

I'm suggesting that its not possible to change anyones mind. Occasionally if you wait long enough there may be a slight slipping of the mask. Thats where Dirk/Scorp made his mistake. He was forced to go to Sunday School; he was conned by the charisma of Billy Graham etc etc. In other words behind everyones belief there is a hidden counterpoint/agenda.

What you see is never the real truth. Thats the only interesting proposition behind putting several 'celebs' behind bars for weeks. Within days the cracks begin to show.

Galloway far from being a serious politician is in reality a frustrated showman who will do anything to seek th limelight.

Little Leo Sayer isn't the cheekie chappie beloved by Grandmothers who always has a smile on his face and a kind word for everyone. In fact he's an egotistical spoilt child who when thwarted reacts with more swear words than the whole of the Sex Pistols put together.

In fact, they are the exact opposite to the persona they hide behind and astrology is a very good tool for revealing the true person.

Its only minus is..whats the point? Despite it having little practical use besides idle curiousity whenever I've had to use it - it works. Thats all I know and all I can say.

I could of course try to come up with some test to prove that it works but when people have set their mind against anything even that is unlikely to change it.