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Post by Nathan deGargoyle on Sept 27, 2006 7:57:34 GMT
TB's speech seems to have gone down well with Rupert Murdoch at least.
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Post by sandywinder on Sept 27, 2006 8:17:01 GMT
If he was as good at politics and doing as he is at acting and talking he would have made a much better PM.
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Post by Daz Madrigal on Oct 3, 2006 9:13:52 GMT
Who's Gordan Brown?
Anyway amidst the controversy of an intimation that Gordon Browns persona has a lot in common to some of the symptoms of Autism isn't a criticism of sufferers but an insight into Gordon Brown.
The truth is beginning to seep out. This calm, cool headed manner that he portrays to the public is a total myth. Both Blair and his Wife know that he's a jealous, envious, power hungry manipulator with a marked character defect. In fact, he shares a lot in common with a few forum hosts..a bit of a control freak, a person who is inherently dishonest and with a dark side with very few people skills and an inability to adapt.
I think the lack of an ability to adapt is the most telling symptom. That is NOT Autism. Plenty of people who aren't autistic cannot adapt to different circumstances and environments. Its when they come across people who adapt quickly that they feel threatened and the nastiness, double dealing and true deceptive side of such people emerges.
Its not their fault, its intrinsic and they can't do anything about it which is exactly why people feel a certain sympathy with Gordon Brown.
However, it doesn't make Peter Osbornes comments any less true. All he was doing was being honest. Is honesty a crime in this politically correct nanny state where you only have to joke about Brown being a tad autistic for a load of daft social workers to make a fuss.
Get a life and stop whinging is my answer!
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Post by gus2 on Oct 3, 2006 10:10:28 GMT
What this country needs is someone with real Labour values, Old Labour in other words without the barminess that was attached to it. Prescott btw is a lying weasel so he's out. its a pity Ming don't swap to Labour ;D gus You are right Gus. The sooner Labour start returning to Old Labour values the sooner they will get their useless arses kicked out of government. Oldish Labour values not Old Labour. stop trying to stereotype people. I am not advocating going back to thick headed Unionism or just plain thick management.What we do not want is the Capitalism of the Tories or the Auslaender Raus of the BNP and UKIP. gus |
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Post by sandywinder on Oct 3, 2006 12:54:55 GMT
You are right Gus. The sooner Labour start returning to Old Labour values the sooner they will get their useless arses kicked out of government. Oldish Labour values not Old Labour. stop trying to stereotype people. I am not advocating going back to thick headed Unionism or just plain thick management.What we do not want is the Capitalism of the Tories or the Auslaender Raus of the BNP and UKIP. gus I think you will find that it is only the Capitalism of NEW Labour and the right that has kept the country out of bankruptcy. That is why Blair is still in power. Where does all the money come from to feed the hungry, look after the sick and care for the old? From private enterprise and capitalism. Certainly not from the plethora of dimwits, meeting attenders, memo passers and buck passers running the public sector. |
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Post by gus2 on Oct 3, 2006 17:52:41 GMT
Oldish Labour values not Old Labour. stop trying to stereotype people. I am not advocating going back to thick headed Unionism or just plain thick management.What we do not want is the Capitalism of the Tories or the Auslaender Raus of the BNP and UKIP. gus I think you will find that it is only the Capitalism of NEW Labour and the right that has kept the country out of bankruptcy. That is why Blair is still in power. Where does all the money come from to feed the hungry, look after the sick and care for the old? From private enterprise and capitalism. Certainly not from the plethora of dimwits, meeting attenders, memo passers and buck passers running the public sector. What public sector  they are privitised up to the eyeballs. Is the Capitalism of which you speak the one that makes Britain responsible for more than a third of unsecured loans than it's continental neighbours. The average Briton has twice more debt than any country on the continent. Capitalism running wild. Grab it while you can, step on the weak, the halt and the lame. it matters not, main thing is you got it. gus |
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Post by sandywinder on Oct 4, 2006 10:07:05 GMT
I think you will find that it is only the Capitalism of NEW Labour and the right that has kept the country out of bankruptcy. That is why Blair is still in power. Where does all the money come from to feed the hungry, look after the sick and care for the old? From private enterprise and capitalism. Certainly not from the plethora of dimwits, meeting attenders, memo passers and buck passers running the public sector. What public sector they are privitised up to the eyeballs. Is the Capitalism of which you speak the one that makes Britain responsible for more than a third of unsecured loans than it's continental neighbours. The average Briton has twice more debt than any country on the continent. Capitalism running wild. Grab it while you can, step on the weak, the halt and the lame. it matters not, main thing is you got it. gus The same capitalist system exists in the very countries you are comparing Britain against - so it is an absurd statement. The reason why people are borrowing far more here than elsewhere is because we have a socialist government that is ENCOURAGING people to borrow money. Who put debts onto students so they have a millstone around their necks for the rest of their lives? LABOUR. Who are getting into 'partnerships' (rather than open competition) with NHS PFIs, which are creating huge debts for the taxpayer of the future? LABOUR. The more socialist a government is, the worse it is. Just answer this questrion Gus? Who is better at spending YOUR money and getting good value out of it? YOU or a poxy, couldn't-give-a-damn government? I know which answer I would give. But you are happy for the state to squander the money you have earned in your life on any matter of wasteful projects like the NHS IT project, EU VAT fraud, etc. To me that is sheer madness. |
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Post by gus2 on Oct 4, 2006 16:02:46 GMT
What public sector they are privitised up to the eyeballs. Is the Capitalism of which you speak the one that makes Britain responsible for more than a third of unsecured loans than it's continental neighbours. The average Briton has twice more debt than any country on the continent. Capitalism running wild. Grab it while you can, step on the weak, the halt and the lame. it matters not, main thing is you got it. gus The same capitalist system exists in the very countries you are comparing Britain against - so it is an absurd statement. The reason why people are borrowing far more here than elsewhere is because we have a socialist government that is ENCOURAGING people to borrow money. Who put debts onto students so they have a millstone around their necks for the rest of their lives? LABOUR. Who are getting into 'partnerships' (rather than open competition) with NHS PFIs, which are creating huge debts for the taxpayer of the future? LABOUR. The more socialist a government is, the worse it is. Just answer this questrion Gus? Who is better at spending YOUR money and getting good value out of it? YOU or a poxy, couldn't-give-a-damn government? I know which answer I would give. But you are happy for the state to squander the money you have earned in your life on any matter of wasteful projects like the NHS IT project, EU VAT fraud, etc. To me that is sheer madness. I will not comment on the wasteful projects of the EU if the people want us out of the EU they will vote for a party whose politics are aiming for that I have seen no evidence of the major parties wanting that. I will not comment on VAT fraud I know nothing about it. The IT project is I believe being administerd by a private company and as far as i am aware they are making a right balls up of it or IT gus |
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Post by sandywinder on Oct 5, 2006 8:45:54 GMT
Who CHOSE the particular companies to do the jobs? Who decided on what the company should DO? There is one main difference between the private and public sector. Private companies provide what the public want. The public sector provides what people will put up with. A good case in point is Ryanair and Aer Lingus. For years the private company fought against the behemoth of the state owned Aer Lingus, which had ALL the advantages. Within a week of it going private, Ryanair has mounted a take over bid for it. www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXkgzIX3SYAM&refer=home |
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Post by gus2 on Oct 5, 2006 11:04:58 GMT
Who CHOSE the particular companies to do the jobs? There is one main difference between the private and public sector. Private companies provide what the public want. The public sector provides what people will put up with. A good case in point is Ryanair and Aer Lingus. For years the private company fought against the behemoth of the state owned Aer Lingus, which had ALL the advantages. Within a week of it going private, Ryanair has mounted a take over bid for it. www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXkgzIX3SYAM&refer=homeWho decided on what the company should DO? Well do you think that the rapacious private company running the IT system in the NHS would be LESS rapacious if there were a Tory government. Wake up sandy the toasts burning. Hooray sandy. We all love a good take over don't we. How about a bit of Asset stripping and a few Junk bonds to be going along with all jolly clean fun. gus |
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Post by sandywinder on Oct 5, 2006 13:04:49 GMT
Who CHOSE the particular companies to do the jobs? There is one main difference between the private and public sector. Private companies provide what the public want. The public sector provides what people will put up with. A good case in point is Ryanair and Aer Lingus. For years the private company fought against the behemoth of the state owned Aer Lingus, which had ALL the advantages. Within a week of it going private, Ryanair has mounted a take over bid for it. www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aXkgzIX3SYAM&refer=homeWho decided on what the company should DO? Well do you think that the rapacious private company running the IT system in the NHS would be LESS rapacious if there were a Tory government. Wake up sandy the toasts burning. Hooray sandy. We all love a good take over don't we. How about a bit of Asset stripping and a few Junk bonds to be going along with all jolly clean fun. gus So Gus who provided all the jobs at Ryanair? Who provided cheap flights to allow people to destroy the planet? The big regret I have is that most of the tax they pay on their profits will probably go to the Irish government. It is a pity that this private company was allowed to operate though. Had only state companies been allowed to fly there probably wouldn't be a Global Warming issue. |
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Post by Myster Riven on Oct 5, 2006 14:30:45 GMT
Ooh i taught its only me who never heard of the man! |
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Post by gus2 on Oct 5, 2006 15:43:28 GMT
Who decided on what the company should DO? Well do you think that the rapacious private company running the IT system in the NHS would be LESS rapacious if there were a Tory government. Wake up sandy the toasts burning. Hooray sandy. We all love a good take over don't we. How about a bit of Asset stripping and a few Junk bonds to be going along with all jolly clean fun. gus So Gus who provided all the jobs at Ryanair? Who provided cheap flights to allow people to destroy the planet? The big regret I have is that most of the tax they pay on their profits will probably go to the Irish government. It is a pity that this private company was allowed to operate though. Had only state companies been allowed to fly there probably wouldn't be a Global Warming issue. You keep rattling on about the government of the day allowing the private companies to do what they do , well i can tell you what they do best and that is picking mine and your pockets, but what you have to understand is that a Leopard never loses it's spots they may fade but they are still there. In case it may have slipped your memory ALL British airlines are privately owned. as I think are the rail and bus companies. What you also fail to understand is that all private companies rarely do what is best for the public they do what is best for the shareholders and the CEO. Keep this snippet in mind sandy and one day you will see the light. gus |
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Post by sandywinder on Oct 6, 2006 8:16:45 GMT
So Gus who provided all the jobs at Ryanair? Who provided cheap flights to allow people to destroy the planet? The big regret I have is that most of the tax they pay on their profits will probably go to the Irish government. It is a pity that this private company was allowed to operate though. Had only state companies been allowed to fly there probably wouldn't be a Global Warming issue. You keep rattling on about the government of the day allowing the private companies to do what they do , well i can tell you what they do best and that is picking mine and your pockets, but what you have to understand is that a Leopard never loses it's spots they may fade but they are still there. In case it may have slipped your memory ALL British airlines are privately owned. as I think are the rail and bus companies. What you also fail to understand is that all private companies rarely do what is best for the public they do what is best for the shareholders and the CEO. Keep this snippet in mind sandy and one day you will see the light. gus So you hadn't noticed that the government of the day are more than quite adept at picking the person's pockets then? Have you ever heard of income tax, inheritance tax, VAT, National insurance, council tax? The difference is that with private companies you normally get a choice as to who is providing your services and if you don't like it you can go elsewhere, whether it is Ryanair, BA or Easyjet. But with the state you are ripped off without any say in the matter at all. You can not go elsewhere, apart from prison for trying to avoid being ripped off. I don't know how many times I need to tell you all this. Let's put it this way, the next time you get a new car would you prefer to be forced to buy the first one that you were shown at a price decided by the car dealer or choose one for yourself from different dealers? I know which one I would prefer. |
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Post by gus2 on Oct 6, 2006 9:57:09 GMT
You keep rattling on about the government of the day allowing the private companies to do what they do , well i can tell you what they do best and that is picking mine and your pockets, but what you have to understand is that a Leopard never loses it's spots they may fade but they are still there. In case it may have slipped your memory ALL British airlines are privately owned. as I think are the rail and bus companies. What you also fail to understand is that all private companies rarely do what is best for the public they do what is best for the shareholders and the CEO. Keep this snippet in mind sandy and one day you will see the light. gus So you hadn't noticed that the government of the day are more than quite adept at picking the person's pockets then? Have you ever heard of income tax, inheritance tax, VAT, National insurance, council tax? The difference is that with private companies you normally get a choice as to who is providing your services and if you don't like it you can go elsewhere, whether it is Ryanair, BA or Easyjet. But with the state you are ripped off without any say in the matter at all. You can not go elsewhere, apart from prison for trying to avoid being ripped off. I don't know how many times I need to tell you all this. Let's put it this way, the next time you get a new car would you prefer to be forced to buy the first one that you were shown at a price decided by the car dealer or choose one for yourself from different dealers? I know which one I would prefer. I do believe that since i was nobbut a lad, there have been a succession of Labour governments running this stone set in a silver sea, I can't recall the exact number but it is quite a few, yet I can not recall one that forced me to buy anything. You are living in Lancashire sandy i believe, and not some South American banana republic or a tin pot African state. I was beginning to wonder. gus |
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